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greenoaks wrote:Shannon Apple wrote:Robespierre__ wrote:It seems the rating system is what it is. You really want unrated games since it makes no sense that you can dictate the value of a win to the rating system.
This!
I was thinking about it, and even 20 point games would result in some serious abuses, especially with high ranks vs low ranks. I don't think farming is right, and while it goes on now, it's still a risk for the farmer. (along with the risk of getting banned)
If there was an option to play 0 point games, this might appeal to those just wanting to play for fun. No risk of abuse whatsoever.
absolutely a risk of abuse.
practise on a map until you're awesome, then play for points.
Metsfanmax wrote:greenoaks wrote:Shannon Apple wrote:Robespierre__ wrote:It seems the rating system is what it is. You really want unrated games since it makes no sense that you can dictate the value of a win to the rating system.
This!
I was thinking about it, and even 20 point games would result in some serious abuses, especially with high ranks vs low ranks. I don't think farming is right, and while it goes on now, it's still a risk for the farmer. (along with the risk of getting banned)
If there was an option to play 0 point games, this might appeal to those just wanting to play for fun. No risk of abuse whatsoever.
absolutely a risk of abuse.
practise on a map until you're awesome, then play for points.
That is not abuse; that is precisely the point of practice.
greenoaks wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:greenoaks wrote:Shannon Apple wrote:Robespierre__ wrote:It seems the rating system is what it is. You really want unrated games since it makes no sense that you can dictate the value of a win to the rating system.
This!
I was thinking about it, and even 20 point games would result in some serious abuses, especially with high ranks vs low ranks. I don't think farming is right, and while it goes on now, it's still a risk for the farmer. (along with the risk of getting banned)
If there was an option to play 0 point games, this might appeal to those just wanting to play for fun. No risk of abuse whatsoever.
absolutely a risk of abuse.
practise on a map until you're awesome, then play for points.
That is not abuse; that is precisely the point of practice.
not on this site.
our score is an amalgamation of the experience gained from every single game we have played. no point games allow a player to have a score greater than they deserve. that's abuse.
betiko wrote:greenoaks wrote:Metsfanmax wrote:greenoaks wrote:Shannon Apple wrote:Robespierre__ wrote:It seems the rating system is what it is. You really want unrated games since it makes no sense that you can dictate the value of a win to the rating system.
This!
I was thinking about it, and even 20 point games would result in some serious abuses, especially with high ranks vs low ranks. I don't think farming is right, and while it goes on now, it's still a risk for the farmer. (along with the risk of getting banned)
If there was an option to play 0 point games, this might appeal to those just wanting to play for fun. No risk of abuse whatsoever.
absolutely a risk of abuse.
practise on a map until you're awesome, then play for points.
That is not abuse; that is precisely the point of practice.
not on this site.
our score is an amalgamation of the experience gained from every single game we have played. no point games allow a player to have a score greater than they deserve. that's abuse.
well you don't get the point. Many players are on top of the scoreboard because they are 1 trick poneys and they have cold feet to join anything outside of their comfort zone. Many very good players are under ranked because they join carelessly any game. You've just said it yourself. The point system reflects your experience on the site (not how good you are).
If you had games just to fool around worth no points, and competitive games to improve your rank, the ranking would be much more accurate and would reflect in a better way where everyone stands. As I said, everyone being on the same boat!
For example, I had a friend who just joined conquer club and wanted to play me 1v1. I was brig at the time, and I though it was stupid to have to say no just because statistically I would lose tons of points. I won 4/6 because shit dice happen, and lost 90 points. How is it abusing the system if I just want to play some casual 1v1 games with a real life friend just for the fun of playing them without losing points that were won with lots of efforts? This is just one of the many examples we could have.
Also points free game would increase a lot the amount of games played and the traffic on the site. It's just a win win for everyone.
greenoaks wrote:what would happen is high ranks would play almost exclusively no point games, preventing anyone below them from moving up and would only play for points when they were absolutely assured victory - farming.
greenoaks wrote:what would happen is high ranks would play almost exclusively no point games, preventing anyone below them from moving up and would only play for points when they were absolutely assured victory - farming.
Shannon Apple wrote:Hell you could even cap the number of pointless games that a player can play per month or something.
betiko wrote:Shannon Apple wrote:Hell you could even cap the number of pointless games that a player can play per month or something.
that is a very good idea that might change the opinion of people who are against. Say you can play 30 stupid luck games a month or something, just for the fun of it (or to train on new maps/settings) and your rank won't get affected.
iAmCaffeine wrote:betiko wrote:Shannon Apple wrote:Hell you could even cap the number of pointless games that a player can play per month or something.
that is a very good idea that might change the opinion of people who are against. Say you can play 30 stupid luck games a month or something, just for the fun of it (or to train on new maps/settings) and your rank won't get affected.
Having a cap would make it more acceptable from my perspective - although I'm not in agreement - but thirty is ridiculously high. I'd say a cap of.. five. You only have to play take one turn a month to be on the scoreboard.
Should we not take this to Suggestions now?
iAmCaffeine wrote:Thirty seems reasonable to people like you and I who play frequently, but the majority of the players at the top of the scoreboard don't play such large quantities and could manipulate this too easily.
iAmCaffeine wrote:Should we not take this to Suggestions now?
patrickaa317 wrote:Lindax wrote:From now on, we will be accepting appeals from Permabanned players.
Shit, does that mean that Max may be back?
We believe that Permabanned players were permabanned for good reasons....
Lx
Also in before the conspiracy around El Jefe and GLG is enhanced with this. It really is the only way GLG could come back, right?
Not a subscriber to that but interested to see it start being discussed.
greenoaks wrote:patrickaa317 wrote:Definitely not a fan of this idea. A lot of people would play games for 1 point. A lot of farming would be done against the noobs that think they can win 50 points, etc. All I see is potential for abuse and people working the system on this.
that's the way i see it too.
iAmCaffeine wrote:iAmCaffeine wrote:Should we not take this to Suggestions now?
greenoaks wrote:and it is all high rank people posting here wanting to play CC with no Risk.
Shannon Apple wrote:It is all mid- high ranked people posting in here for or against. period. Sooo, that makes no sense.
Shannon Apple wrote:It is all mid- high ranked people posting in against. period.
greenoaks wrote:Shannon Apple wrote:It is all mid- high ranked people posting in against. period.
exactly. cooks aren't beating down the doors demanding CC implement a way for them to beat a Major and receive no reward for doing so.
D4 Damager wrote:greenoaks wrote:Shannon Apple wrote:It is all mid- high ranked people posting in against. period.
exactly. cooks aren't beating down the doors demanding CC implement a way for them to beat a Major and receive no reward for doing so.
Indeed. Instead they are beating down the doors and leaving. Because the only majors that would play them were farming them, and were not playing for fun
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