[09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby Mr_Adams on Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:39 pm

Four20 wrote:thanks for nothing punk. Nice ratings ya leave me bitch, i'll smoke your ass anytime in this game. You suck


This is what I get for leaving somebody 11/15 stars. This is why the new rating system sucks.

and then

Four20 wrote:my fairplay, attendance and attitude were excellent, f*ck you
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jiminski on Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:14 pm

Mr_Adams wrote:
Four20 wrote:thanks for nothing punk. Nice ratings ya leave me bitch, i'll smoke your ass anytime in this game. You suck


This is what I get for leaving somebody 11/15 stars. This is why the new rating system sucks.

and then

Four20 wrote:my fairplay, attendance and attitude were excellent, f*ck you



well i hope you gave him a 5 for Attitude, the fella is a charmer!
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby Mr_Adams on Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:19 pm

I gave him a four. If I play him again, I'm changing it to a 0
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby azezzo on Fri Jun 20, 2008 11:16 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:We hear you guys, don't worry. Stay tuned and perhaps we can craft a system that fits everyone's needs and wants.


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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby Orwell on Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:03 am

So, I am against the change (as I stated about 40 posts ago) because I do not think we can quantify what these ratings mean - Personally, I found a method of feedback that was both consistent and specific whether positive or negative (I am not a fan of neutral).
After a couple weeks of this rating system, I think I understand even better now why I am against it: I consider a 5 rating is average and anything less to be "flawed" - basically, I can evaluate other players starting at 5 and deduct from there as I see fit.

Now, if I could make a hybrid of this system and the old, and CC wanted it to be a rating system - then make the first criteria to be either positive or negative and then a rating system of 1-5. That is, at the very least, quantifiable.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby Trouserpants on Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:02 am

Wow, I got my first retaliatory rating today for anyone who thought the system disallowed it. The guy obviously knew I wasn't happy with him and that I was going to rate him lowly, so he whacked me with 1 stars all round pre-emptivly. I did nothing wrong in the game. Brilliant.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby VermiciousDad on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:48 am

Besides for my recommendation to drop the lowest and highest rating, I also think that some verbage should be required. I am getting ratings from guys that slam my "fair play" and I would love to know why...

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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jiminski on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:50 am

Trouserpants wrote:Wow, I got my first retaliatory rating today for anyone who thought the system disallowed it. The guy obviously knew I wasn't happy with him and that I was going to rate him lowly, so he whacked me with 1 stars all round pre-emptivly. I did nothing wrong in the game. Brilliant.


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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby bayou on Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:24 am

This just gives the ability for a player pissed off because you beat him to rate you low without having to explain it.
And we have no chance of calling the player on it because there is no place for feedback.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jiminski on Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:36 am

bayou wrote:This just gives the ability for a player pissed off because you beat him to rate you low without having to explain it.
And we have no chance of calling the player on it because there is no place for feedback.



I think i agree.. and with a little tweak i.e. perhaps the addition of Comment/feedback? the system may be improved.

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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby Mustapha Mond on Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:05 pm

It's official. Except for the one tournament I'm in, I will not be joining any more games and I will not renew my membership until this crap rating systems goes away.

Yet AGAIN, I had a private give me a 1-star rating in a trips game (2530661) for "fair play". What can I say? We played well and so did they. At one point, they actually had the upper hand, but we executed well as a team and turned it around. In what bizarro alternate universe does that not constitute "fair play"???

The ratings are COMPLETELY useless if they contain ratings like that. With the old system, if someone gave a negative, a) they had to explain themselves and b) the other person got a chance to respond. It was transparent.

Frankly, I'd pay a couple of bucks more on my membership to help fund a moderator for the old feedback system if that's what it takes.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby azezzo on Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:43 pm

Mustapha Mond wrote:It's official. Except for the one tournament I'm in, I will not be joining any more games and I will not renew my membership until this crap rating systems goes away.

Yet AGAIN, I had a private give me a 1-star rating in a trips game (2530661) for "fair play". What can I say? We played well and so did they. At one point, they actually had the upper hand, but we executed well as a team and turned it around. In what bizarro alternate universe does that not constitute "fair play"???

The ratings are COMPLETELY useless if they contain ratings like that. With the old system, if someone gave a negative, a) they had to explain themselves and b) the other person got a chance to respond. It was transparent.

Frankly, I'd pay a couple of bucks more on my membership to help fund a moderator for the old feedback system if that's what it takes.


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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:31 pm

We hear you, we do. We've got some ideas to help craft a better system that serves your wants and our needs. We want to keep everyone happy, so we're focusing extra effort on it all.


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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby bayou on Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:37 pm

Mustapha Mond wrote:It's official. Except for the one tournament I'm in, I will not be joining any more games and I will not renew my membership until this crap rating systems goes away.

Yet AGAIN, I had a private give me a 1-star rating in a trips game (2530661) for "fair play". What can I say? We played well and so did they. At one point, they actually had the upper hand, but we executed well as a team and turned it around. In what bizarro alternate universe does that not constitute "fair play"???

The ratings are COMPLETELY useless if they contain ratings like that. With the old system, if someone gave a negative, a) they had to explain themselves and b) the other person got a chance to respond. It was transparent.

Frankly, I'd pay a couple of bucks more on my membership to help fund a moderator for the old feedback system if that's what it takes.


Its happening the same in reverse also, Mustapha Mond. I beat a high ranked player and get low stars for fairness? Fairness? I've never played an unfair game here. Never. Just because I didn't use the same tactics as he would, he gets pissed. With this system I get rudeness in chat and low rating. Before this I had 1 neg and over 100 positives.
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Postby Hound on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:21 pm

bayou wrote:With this system I get rudeness in chat and low rating. Before this I had 1 neg and over 100 positives.


Good point. This system seems to provide less of an incentive for good behavior. Under the feedback system most players liked to avoid negatives, but if it's all just stars they'll even out over time so going off on someone for no good reason might become more common.
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