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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby KingConan on Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:46 pm

In jangler's defense.... I am the one who took out ineluku from the game and he left me all 5's in my ratings. Why would someone give good ratings to the one who eliminated them and bad ratings to everyone else? A rhetorical question, for sure, but I just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I think there are too many people playing on this site that do not take the proper considerations when leaving ratings. Call it abuse, whatever. The bottom line is it makes it real hard to actually put stock in someones ratings.

Invariably the larger number of games you play, the worse your ratings will become if more and more people just get mad and decide to F*ck up your ratings. Or, even worse just give you bad ratings cause they are a prick and do not care.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby hulmey on Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:24 pm

well just dont renew your premium and show 'em what YOU want =D> =D> =D>

Half my clan arent bothering to renew their premium coz of the BS here. I have heard a new risk site sponsored by "hasbro" will be opening soon =D> =D>
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby muy_thaiguy on Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:30 am

hulmey wrote:well just dont renew your premium and show 'em what YOU want =D> =D> =D>

Half my clan arent bothering to renew their premium coz of the BS here. I have heard a new risk site sponsored by "hasbro" will be opening soon =D> =D>

Enjoy that. Myself, I'm here for the game and never really bothered too much with ratings/feedback in the first place. And about the time my premium expires, I'll renew it, because I enjoy playing games here. Not to mention all the extra added bonuses (foundry, cheating and abuse, tourneys, etc).
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby cre8tiff on Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:33 am

hulmey wrote:well just dont renew your premium and show 'em what YOU want =D> =D> =D>

Half my clan arent bothering to renew their premium coz of the BS here. I have heard a new risk site sponsored by "hasbro" will be opening soon =D> =D>


Yup, sadly enough, the true impact of this decision won't be fully realized for several months. Not that we haven't tried to tell them, only to have our messages fall on deaf ears.

I hope Lack has another board game he can digitize, a new risk site will kill this one.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jaguars34 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:29 pm

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the current ratings don't round up. So if one person gives you a 4 in any category just once you can never have that 5.0 rating again. Is there any way around this, or will 4.9 eventually just be the best anyone can conceivably hold?
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby Ffraid on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:48 am

jaguars34 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the current ratings don't round up. So if one person gives you a 4 in any category just once you can never have that 5.0 rating again. Is there any way around this, or will 4.9 eventually just be the best anyone can conceivably hold?

Not true: View jiminski's ratings
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby vikprez on Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:58 am

vikprez wrote:Question about Cross Map Medal...Can the unique defeats be standard, doubles, assassin...any combination to achieve 5 per map?


Wow Vikprez, that is a great question, I sure hope someone can answer that!

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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jiminski on Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:00 am

hehe just got 1's across the board from a player who was just busted for being a cheat and had his score reset!

i did not miss a single go and said little more other than 'good luck' and 'good game'... maybe i could have been a little more sociable.. but cheaters rather slow my wagging tongue ;)
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby Optimus Prime on Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:08 am

vikprez wrote:
vikprez wrote:Question about Cross Map Medal...Can the unique defeats be standard, doubles, assassin...any combination to achieve 5 per map?


Wow Vikprez, that is a great question, I sure hope someone can answer that!

:D

The answer is yes, and you could have found it in the Q&A Forum I do believe. ;)
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jaguars34 on Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:20 am

Ffraid wrote:
jaguars34 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the current ratings don't round up. So if one person gives you a 4 in any category just once you can never have that 5.0 rating again. Is there any way around this, or will 4.9 eventually just be the best anyone can conceivably hold?

Not true: View jiminski's ratings


I don't understand what you were directing me to. He had all 4.9s which is what i'm saying doesn't round to 5. I saw somewhere else since that it can round back up to 5.0, so my concern is unfounded/resoved, but not in those ratings
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jiminski on Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:33 am

jaguars34 wrote:
Ffraid wrote:
jaguars34 wrote:I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but the current ratings don't round up. So if one person gives you a 4 in any category just once you can never have that 5.0 rating again. Is there any way around this, or will 4.9 eventually just be the best anyone can conceivably hold?

Not true: View jiminski's ratings


I don't understand what you were directing me to. He had all 4.9s which is what i'm saying doesn't round to 5. I saw somewhere else since that it can round back up to 5.0, so my concern is unfounded/resoved, but not in those ratings


yeah i think the point fFraid was making is that it was 5 (it moved to 4.9 after that post today.) although in some places i had scored less than 5 in individual ratings?
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:19 pm

I was just given a 1 (along with everyone else in the game) in Fair Play by a player who felt "cheated by the system" in an escalating game.

I messaged him to ask about it and he said "not blaming you but the CC site it's self you got good points that game be happy with that. and i had had the upper half of the board and you just walked through everyone? should have been a little more of a fight in my mind."

Which was rather humorous especially considering I didn't win the game. Clearly this tool has no idea how escalating works.

Just wanted to post it here for more "proof" that the rating system is horribly flawed.

edit: After further conversations with this player, he seems to be of the opinion that if he lose, the game is rigged and thus the game (not the player) did not give him a Fair Play. So if he loses, he rates a 1. If he wins, he rates a 5. kind of pathetic, but just the thing to expect from this system.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby tomtorresson on Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:50 pm

I keep getting emails from folks complaining about ratings I leave them. Is what I have been doing not correct?

. They way I understand it, 3 stars is "average". The way I have been rating folks is that when a game is super fast I give 5/5 stars for attendance. No missed turns is 4/5. 1 Missed turn is 3/5. Many is 2/5. Kicked out is 1/5.

For Fair Play I basically just give everyone 4 or 5....not even sure why they have this category as if you cheat it gets reported and corrected.

For Attitude - the most friendly people (in chat) get a 4 or 5. Just a normal "GL" or "GG" gets a 3 (Average). No chat at all gets a 2 and if someone is a jerk I give them a 1.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby Ffraid on Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:21 pm

jiminski wrote:
jaguars34 wrote:I don't understand what you were directing me to. He had all 4.9s which is what i'm saying doesn't round to 5. I saw somewhere else since that it can round back up to 5.0, so my concern is unfounded/resoved, but not in those ratings


yeah i think the point fFraid was making is that it was 5 (it moved to 4.9 after that post today.) although in some places i had scored less than 5 in individual ratings?

Yes! Sorry about the confusion jaguars34. I was directing you to jiminski's ratings because, up until this morning, he had a 5.0 average even though he had received 7 4s and even a 3 (Damn you, jiminski, for getting all those 1s and totally screwing up my illustrating point. Very inconsiderate. Now I understand why the guy gave you all 1s. :lol: ). I've never met/played jiminski but he's very active in these forums about the new ratings system that I've been reading, so I had checked out his profile and had noticed the very thing about which you had posted. I don't know, offhand, about anyone else to use as an example, but you say that you have seen proof elsewhere since, so I guess it's irrelevant.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby cre8tiff on Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:02 am

I find it difficult to believe the admins get less complaints about the new system and it's abuses/flaws, than they got for negative feedback. It seems an ego thing to me.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jiminski on Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:11 am

cre8tiff wrote:I find it difficult to believe the admins get less complaints about the new system and it's abuses/flaws, than they got for negative feedback. It seems an ego thing to me.


i am sure they get more complaints ... but i doubt it is an ego thing (maybe a tincey bit) the thing is they do not have to do anything about it any longer (the whole object of the update); they can file all feedback complaints under 'H' for 'he-he, he-he-he' ;)
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby cre8tiff on Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:54 am

Exactly. So why not just re-establish the old system without the ability to complain/overturn bad feedback? Seems like a no-brainer to me. But of course, I've been saying that all along. :roll:
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jiminski on Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:07 am

cre8tiff wrote:Exactly. So why not just re-establish the old system without the ability to complain/overturn bad feedback? Seems like a no-brainer to me. But of course, I've been saying that all along. :roll:



well i understand why they will not do un-mod'ed, bespoke feedback ... the game can get pretty heated and nasty as we know. Feedback is often the expression of emotion and interpersonal ire.

I had put together a nice alternative option for moderated feedback but people who care enough about Comment based feedback to actually get involved, are very much in the minority.. Trust me, i gave it a bloody good shot and lobbied all over for support!
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby suggs on Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:11 pm

cre8tiff wrote:A month gone by and it still sux. Thanks for listening.


They won't listen. I don't think they understand they are running a business now, as opposed to having a laugh on the web with their mates.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby k8theriver on Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:34 am

i don't like the rating system because people give poor ratings with no explanation. for example, in one game i started the conversation by saying, "gl" no one else said anything. that was it. but then my opponent gave me 3 stars for attitude. 3 stars for everything, actually. i didn't miss a turn and if i played unfairly it was in vain because i didn't win.
i do like the medals though. that's fun.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby lt.pie on Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:27 pm

k8theriver wrote:i don't like the rating system because people give poor ratings with no explanation. for example, in one game i started the conversation by saying, "gl" no one else said anything. that was it. but then my opponent gave me 3 stars for attitude. 3 stars for everything, actually. i didn't miss a turn and if i played unfairly it was in vain because i didn't win.
i do like the medals though. that's fun.

3 is average so don't worry about it.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby DukeToshiro on Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:19 pm

lt.pie wrote:3 is average so don't worry about it.


Not in this ratings system. It's very obvious that 5 is average because that's the "average" rating left by everyone. Anyone with a single ounce of intelligence can see that since everyone is used to the positive/neutral/negative system, they are using the following system....5=positive, 3= neutral, 1=negative. The only reason to give someone a neutral under the old system was so that you could comment on his feedback without actually hurting it. Now, people don't have any reason to leave a "neutral". Just another reason why this thing is a pointless waste of space.
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby jangler3 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:23 am

I don't know if this has been brought up, but I need to be able to put a comment under the ratings from others. I got a 3 from a player on attendance. I didn't miss. I don't miss!It is the only rating that is not subjective. And I think it would be good to be able to respond to ratings like this. I this in the works? And if not,.... WHY?
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby max is gr8 on Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:58 am

I was told by a player that because I played after he had finished in a freestyle game (because I had 2 ongoing freestyle rts) I would be getting all ones, this is obvious abuse of the system, in return I gave him all ones, he sucked the fun out of that game, and it will be hard to tell whether the feedback given from him is true, the feedback given from me will suffer the same scrutiny. It does not work as a system. If anything allow comments but not positive or negative feedback, no ratings but If a player is interested in another players performance he can read those
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Re: [09-Jun-2008] Ratings & Medals

Postby kiwie on Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:47 pm

what about when a player deadbeats on u ,u give him bad rating then he does the same to u when its no fault of urs,better to give no rating at all in that case,that mean its not a great system doesn't show true ratings :evil:
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