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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby shanksdigs on Fri Jan 09, 2009 11:32 pm

lackattack wrote:"As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques."


Of all the stupid reasons for the webmaster to post...lack's original comment is the kickingest kicker. Lack said that "newbie farming" affects the scoreboard. The scoreboard is already kerplunkt because of all the cheaters on here and the rules that allow cheaters who have been banned to finish their games. This also goes for not returning points earned from being on a cheaters team....points lost due to a cheater that aren't returned...

You name it...there are million reason why the scoreboard is not valid.

I'm not a newbie farmer, but I laugh at the reasoning behind getting rid of them and ending the practice.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby The Neon Peon on Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:26 pm

shanksdigs wrote:
lackattack wrote:"As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques."


Of all the stupid reasons for the webmaster to post...lack's original comment is the kickingest kicker. Lack said that "newbie farming" affects the scoreboard. The scoreboard is already kerplunkt because of all the cheaters on here and the rules that allow cheaters who have been banned to finish their games. This also goes for not returning points earned from being on a cheaters team....points lost due to a cheater that aren't returned...

You name it...there are million reason why the scoreboard is not valid.

I'm not a newbie farmer, but I laugh at the reasoning behind getting rid of them and ending the practice.

So you are saying that one step forward to fix a system that is messed up is a bad thing? A step forward is a step forward nonetheless.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby shanksdigs on Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:55 pm

Neon peon wrote: "So you are saying that one step forward to fix a system that is messed up is a bad thing? A step forward is a step forward nonetheless."

There is already a system in place attempting to rid multis. When multis and other cheaters are discovered, the way they are dealt with is not effective. I believe that there needs to be amendments to how multis and other cheaters are dealt with BEFORE going after another group. In addition! This newly identified group is somewhat difficult to identify. While there are probably outspoken noob farmers, it would seem that any player playing a "?" or a "chef" could be identified as a noob hunter or noob farmer. There are more reasons to ignore noob hunters/farmers (for the time being) than there are reasons to hunt the noob farmers/hunters.

Add my name to the list of players who got their ass handed to them from day one on this site....I stuck around, just like everyone else. No noobs are going crying to mama or asking lack for their money back because they got pwned!!!!
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby porkenbeans on Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:10 pm

shanksdigs wrote:Neon peon wrote: "So you are saying that one step forward to fix a system that is messed up is a bad thing? A step forward is a step forward nonetheless."

There is already a system in place attempting to rid multis. When multis and other cheaters are discovered, the way they are dealt with is not effective. I believe that there needs to be amendments to how multis and other cheaters are dealt with BEFORE going after another group. In addition! This newly identified group is somewhat difficult to identify. While there are probably outspoken noob farmers, it would seem that any player playing a "?" or a "chef" could be identified as a noob hunter or noob farmer. There are more reasons to ignore noob hunters/farmers (for the time being) than there are reasons to hunt the noob farmers/hunters.

Add my name to the list of players who got their ass handed to them from day one on this site....I stuck around, just like everyone else. No noobs are going crying to mama or asking lack for their money back because they got pwned!!!!
You should re-read the webmasters proclamation once more. You do not seem to understand what he said about this topic.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby reggie_mac on Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:48 am

he he, its still not actually on the rules page yet, therefore it is technically still not a rule.


This is a gross abuse of the game. It gives the New Recruit "victims" a poor first experience and reduces the chances of them sticking around. As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques.


also there is a bit missing, let me put it in..

This is a gross abuse of the game. It gives the New Recruit "victims" a poor first experience and reduces the chances of them sticking around, therefore paying me $$ for a premium membership. As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques.

but about bloody time i say.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby stringybeany on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:01 am

If you wish to improve your game, play better players. I ignore the farmers because I figure they are only hurting themselves. There's no victory or improvement in farming, there are only points. The strategies and play style for farming just aren't going to improve your play performance.

Way up thread (I can't believe I actually read through the whole 12 pages) someone mentioned modifying the scoring system. If you would like a model that would kill points farming, go with the methods employed by chessclub (and other gaming sites).

On that site if you play against anyone more than 400 points below you, you will receive nothing for the win. The only way to raise your score to the highest level is to play higher ranked players, and guess what? Doing so improves your chess game!
If you only play lower ranked players, your score will find a natural ceiling.

Points farmers are only hurting their own game for a pitiful reward. Screw 'em.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby The Neon Peon on Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:25 pm

stringybeany wrote:If you wish to improve your game, play better players.

The most common mistake made by low ranks as well.

Agree completely with your whole post.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby porkenbeans on Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:03 pm

2nd.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby Aradhus on Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:45 pm

lackattack wrote:"As farmers move up the scoreboard it also harms the competitive nature of Conquer Club - the scoreboard is meant to measure skill in the game, not "harvesting" techniques."


I haven't had any interactions with lackattack, other than him thanking me for pointing out a bug. So I'm basing this off of a very complicated cognitive process. I think lackattack is a pretty smart guy, a 140-150 IQ kinda guy, but he is surrounded by individuals who are not. Their lack of understanding is affecting his judgment on important decisions. He isn't seeing the big picture. That quote up there has about 30 words, but it says so much about so many things. Most of it bad.


I see worsening conditions for this site, and an increasingly less enjoyable place to be 'at'.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby captainwalrus on Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:50 pm

I don't realy understand farmers. Most are members so why are they paying money to just try to increase their rank rather than enjoying playing a game. Also, I'm not realy sure why people don't like playing farmers. I like getting the chance to try to play a supposed expert at the game. There is little consequence for loosing and a lot to be gained from winning.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby porkenbeans on Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:58 pm

captainwalrus wrote:I don't realy understand farmers. Most are members so why are they paying money to just try to increase their rank rather than enjoying playing a game. Also, I'm not realy sure why people don't like playing farmers. I like getting the chance to try to play a supposed expert at the game. There is little consequence for loosing and a lot to be gained from winning.
You have a very good attitude on the matter. I don't know why either.
The members here at CC could fill a good sized stadium. But it seems that there will always be those few knuckleheads. They only take up 1 row, of 1 section of the stadium. But they seem to make more noise and cause more grief than anyone else. :?
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby Timminz on Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:28 pm

porkenbeans wrote:But it seems that there will always be those few knuckleheads. They only take up 1 row, of 1 section of the stadium. But they seem to make more noise and cause more grief than anyone else. :?

We didn't always consider you to be like that.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby Pedronicus on Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:00 pm

Well whadya know? the classic map being removed by hasbro has made Lack and Co sit up and take notice that the site was fucked unless they did something.

No longer can new people log on to a familiar Classic map, - but what the hell, who cared? the opening pages of public games to join were weird stupid maps even when the hasbro classic was still here.
But I bet Mr Lack has spotted in his most important graph a tailing off of people renewing their premium.

This is nothing to do with the credit crunch. This is nothing to do with n00bs getting farmed. It's most likely to do with the most important map being taken off line and reproduced with 2 options that are utterly terrible.

Whilst I commend the site for removing the farming option, I find it amusing that it took until this moment in time to implement such filters.

Other people don't or won't renew their premium due to no Classic map or idiotic moderation in the forums.

When are you going to wake up Mr Lack to the bigger picture of why this site is failing to increase in a way that most game sites do?

Once you have a hardcore member list, word of mouth takes over and before you know it, your site has exploded. Whether you sell on line vacuum cleaner bags or strategy games, word of mouth is key. Facebook and the like are the tools to spread to word. But something in this site is wrong.

Take a good hard look before your baby fails to fulfill its potential.
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby porkenbeans on Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:21 pm

Timminz wrote:
porkenbeans wrote:But it seems that there will always be those few knuckleheads. They only take up 1 row, of 1 section of the stadium. But they seem to make more noise and cause more grief than anyone else. :?

We didn't always consider you to be like that.
If you are talking to me, I will tell you this. I played for about a year before I even visited the forum. The only reason that I did, was because I was looking for a way to speak up about two issues, that I believed should be addressed. They were, and still are, Cheaters and Newbie Farmers. I did not come here for the purpose of making friends. That 1 row that I was referring to are all here in the forum. It is their club house. When I started, CC did not even agree that this was a problem. I have been tenacious in this fight. Lacks' New Years proclamation has been a great victory. At least he has been won over to the cause, that I choose to champion. Having to endure the constant harassment and put downs in this clubhouse, is a small price to pay. If you were to check my feedback you would be able to glint, what kind of fellow I am outside of this forum. I will tell you this, and you can take it to the bank. I will continue the fight until I am dead, or the problem is fixed. And personally, I do NOT give a rats ass, how many Farmers and cheaters I piss off. 8-)
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Re: New Years Resolution: Newbie Farming is not Cool.

Postby Timminz on Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:45 pm

porkenbeans wrote: And personally, I do NOT give a rats ass, how many Farmers and cheaters I piss off. 8-)

And what of the non-cheating, non-farming players you've been pissing?
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