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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby b00060 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 6:35 am

NOOOOOOO. Classic Shapes and art are perfect!
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby hoytdwow on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:15 am

does the change also involve fixing the dice?

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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:57 am

MrBenn wrote:Just to clarify, it is only Classic Shapes that is being revamped and replaced. Classic Art will remain alongside the new Classic - at least in the short term.



That definitely sucks. Take a look at the number games that have been played on shapes as opposed to art. Art loses, hands down. Leave shapes up.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Hatchman on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:17 am

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MrBenn wrote:Just to clarify, it is only Classic Shapes that is being revamped and replaced. Classic Art will remain alongside the new Classic - at least in the short term.



That definitely sucks. Take a look at the number games that have been played on shapes as opposed to art. Art loses, hands down. Leave shapes up.


Shapes is hideous and an embarrassment to the site :lol:
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:41 am

Let the players decide, put all three up and let them run for 6 months. The two with the largest number of plays over that period, stay. Should be an interesting battle.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby sully800 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:49 am

The comparison between shapes and art doesn't work because all of the Classic games got added as Classic shapes.

Comparing active games, there are 1915 games on Shapes and 517 games on Art.
Comparing waiting games, there are 211 games on Shapes and 81 games on Art.

So it does seem that Shapes is more popular than Art, but Shapes is also the default map which might have a strong effect on popularity. In any case, I would be fine with Shapes and Art staying live but that decision will be made by lackattack.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby 72o on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:43 am

So is world cities dead?
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:59 am

Shapes is a great teaching tool. So easy to teach on!
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Mageplunka69 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:04 am

can u teach me to play on it sometime, i could use some ideas
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby spiesr on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:24 am

You see, world cities/new classic is exactly the same as shapes, just with better graphics. It has the same circles connected with line style. It just has different names and the continent in the background, so I don't see why you would possibly need shapes if you have it.
72o wrote:So is world cities dead?
No, it is just getting a name change and will be put up as classic.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:33 am

spiesr wrote:You see, world cities/new classic is exactly the same as shapes, just with better graphics. It has the same circles connected with line style. It just has different names and the continent in the background, so I don't see why you would possibly need shapes if you have it.
72o wrote:So is world cities dead?
No, it is just getting a name change and will be put up as classic.



What is Easier for a student to learn on... Attack N5 to N4 or... Attack Novosibirsk to Chengdu The 2nd one will have them looking for about 3 minutes just to find the place.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Falkomagno on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:47 am

yes yes yes yes yessssssssssssss



I love it.


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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:49 am

Yes, shapes is definitely easier to teach on. We could have the contest between the maps by measuring the usage from the date the new map is introduced, thus avoiding legacy count.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby obliterationX on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:49 am

I've had my eye on this map in the foundry for quite a while -- it looks great! A perfect replacement for classic.

Nice work. ;)
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby trinicardinal on Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:52 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
spiesr wrote:You see, world cities/new classic is exactly the same as shapes, just with better graphics. It has the same circles connected with line style. It just has different names and the continent in the background, so I don't see why you would possibly need shapes if you have it.
72o wrote:So is world cities dead?
No, it is just getting a name change and will be put up as classic.



What is Easier for a student to learn on... Attack N5 to N4 or... Attack Novosibirsk to Chengdu The 2nd one will have them looking for about 3 minutes just to find the place.


It's probably take me longer than that just to ask if I should attack from Novosibirsk to Chengdu :lol:

Bruce has a big point there... Keep all 3!
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby reelkmcn on Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:49 pm

It's a long overdue and welcome sight to see a new Classic Map. Great work so far, my compliments to the mapmakers. This is the map CC is made of! =D>
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby soccerghost on Wed Oct 07, 2009 7:32 pm

looks good!!!!! :D :D :D

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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:22 pm

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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:24 pm

The boundaries need to be thinner and sharper; and get rid of the clutter in the ocean. Just the facts, mam, just the facts. The flags only take up space and make the map smaller for play -- dump them.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby sully800 on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:32 pm

mpjh wrote:The boundaries need to be thinner and sharper; and get rid of the clutter in the ocean. Just the facts, mam, just the facts. The flags only take up space and make the map smaller for play -- dump them.


The flags don't make the map smaller at all, considering the 630 px width limit is the limiting factor. The map already has a skewed perspective (it is slightly taller than it should be, to give more space to the land mass) so vertical constraints are definitely not a problem.

Please make your comments in the map thread itself though, so I can keep track of everyone's opinion in one place.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby stahrgazer on Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:56 pm

mpjh wrote:There are far more players on shapes than art. I say keep all three.


I definitely prefer playing shapes to art; why NOT keep all three?
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby stahrgazer on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:05 pm

sully800 wrote:The comparison between shapes and art doesn't work because all of the Classic games got added as Classic shapes.

Comparing active games, there are 1915 games on Shapes and 517 games on Art.
Comparing waiting games, there are 211 games on Shapes and 81 games on Art.

So it does seem that Shapes is more popular than Art, but Shapes is also the default map which might have a strong effect on popularity. In any case, I would be fine with Shapes and Art staying live but that decision will be made by lackattack.


For me, "it's the default" has nothing to do with it.

I like shapes because it's real easy for me to see where the octogons or diamonds are; and to play by number. I don't like C Arts because I never took "Art Geography". When I want to think that hard about what to attack, I play Waterloo.

I like the idea of a new continents map, well done! Make that the new default if you want; but why take away shapes from those who enjoy playing shapes; or arts, for those who enjoy playing arts? Why not just put all three up?
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby mpjh on Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:14 pm

sully800 wrote:
mpjh wrote:The boundaries need to be thinner and sharper; and get rid of the clutter in the ocean. Just the facts, mam, just the facts. The flags only take up space and make the map smaller for play -- dump them.


The flags don't make the map smaller at all, considering the 630 px width limit is the limiting factor. The map already has a skewed perspective (it is slightly taller than it should be, to give more space to the land mass) so vertical constraints are definitely not a problem.

Please make your comments in the map thread itself though, so I can keep track of everyone's opinion in one place.




However you cut it, the flags are clutter.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby Wellspring on Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:17 am

Bruceswar wrote:
spiesr wrote:You see, world cities/new classic is exactly the same as shapes, just with better graphics. It has the same circles connected with line style. It just has different names and the continent in the background, so I don't see why you would possibly need shapes if you have it.
72o wrote:So is world cities dead?
No, it is just getting a name change and will be put up as classic.



What is Easier for a student to learn on... Attack N5 to N4 or... Attack Novosibirsk to Chengdu The 2nd one will have them looking for about 3 minutes just to find the place.

You kinda picked the two most obscure cities on the map. Chicago to New York would take a new player less than 5 seconds to find.

Personally I prefer keeping Classic Art over Classic Shapes if it came down to getting rid of one of them.
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Re: The Classic Map is being Revamped

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:19 am

IF you have critiques or suggestions for the map---do indeed go post in the Foundry Topic---not here. ;)


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