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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [27.5.12] P9-V16 GFX?

Postby iancanton on Thu May 31, 2012 4:51 pm

i missed one in the last round of spelling checks: mossman ought to be mosman.

http://www.mosman.nsw.gov.au/

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [27.5.12] P9-V16 GFX?

Postby RedBaron0 on Thu May 31, 2012 10:56 pm

koontz1973 wrote:cairnswk, forgive me but not really looked in for a while. But one thing that really popped out at me is this.
You seem to have 4 different edges to the map, I have circled them and am just wondering why the different styles for the one map?
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Just noticed as posting this, at Blue mountains national park, you have a white glow poking its head out from under the mountains on the left (just above the yellow line). Is this necessary and if not, can it be removed.



This.

My point is that this whole left side of the map is a single color, lifted up beyond the rest of the map, it does appear that this whole section of the map is flowing over the remainder of the map, the beveling is just way too strong. What koontz pointed out I see also, parts of the beveling putting lighter spots in odd areas, I see also, a artifact of the overbeveling. You don't want texture fine, but the bevel has to go.

The mountains are lines that could have been drawn by a kid imo, yeah they do the job, but you can (and have) do better.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [27.5.12] P9-V16 GFX?

Postby iancanton on Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:52 am

the flowing wax effect appears south of the lake as well as in the legend area. is this an attempt to show that the blue mountains extend to these areas?

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [3.6.12] P10-V17 GFX?

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:53 pm

RedBaron0 wrote:...
This.

My point is that this whole left side of the map is a single color, lifted up beyond the rest of the map, it does appear that this whole section of the map is flowing over the remainder of the map, the beveling is just way too strong.

Beveling has been reduced

What koontz pointed out I see also, parts of the beveling putting lighter spots in odd areas, I see also, a artifact of the overbeveling. You don't want texture fine, but the bevel has to go.

The beveling has to go...well no, i beg to differ, it doesn't have to go, you only want it to go. I happen to not want it to go.
Thus is has been reduced for you, and done using brushes rather than the harsher beveled effect.

iancanton wrote:the flowing wax effect appears south of the lake as well as in the legend area. is this an attempt to show that the blue mountains extend to these areas?

ian. :)

thanks for commenting ian...i hope this new version does something to appease everyone.

Version 17.
1. bevel effect has been reduced along the side of the map
2. bevel has been hand-painted in
3. mountains on the northern side of BMNP have been adjusted
4. mountains in the legend have been enhanced.

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [3.6.12] P10-V17 GFX?

Postby chapcrap on Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:07 am

I think that looks better, but it seems like there isn't a very good uniformity of the edges where there should be. Most notably to me around Bilpin and Wilberforce.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [3.6.12] P10-V17 GFX?

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:21 am

Like the hand drawn effect (the non uniform look works)for the bevel but what Chapcrap said about that one part, I seem to agree with. A couple of extra pixels to make the bevel there stand out more would be nice.

Could I ask for a different colour for the mountains as they are very close to the territ colour. I take it they are the blue mountains, but I can see some brown in the photo you used and that should make the pop out more. As for the hand drawn side of them, I have no problem with that part.

Between blue mountains and Warragamba, you have a road cut out of the mountains, can you do something similar between Warragamba and Sydney university along the same line. I know you have the cut away further south. :mrgreen:
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [3.6.12] P10-V17 GFX?

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:59 am

chapcrap wrote:I think that looks better, but it seems like there isn't a very good uniformity of the edges where there should be. Most notably to me around Bilpin and Wilberforce.

chapcrap, these edges replace the previous bevel as you know.
the argument before was it was too strong.
so i changed it and now it is not uniform.
the other thing is that these lines replace contour lines of sort and i am sure you have looked at contour lines and seen that the distances between lines is hardly even uniform.
so to me, that is not an issue, and uniformity is not something i am totally after with this effect.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [3.6.12] P10-V17 GFX?

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:07 am

koontz1973 wrote:Like the hand drawn effect (the non uniform look works)for the bevel but what Chapcrap said about that one part, I seem to agree with. A couple of extra pixels to make the bevel there stand out more would be nice. [/quote}
Nice but not necessary. :)

Could I ask for a different colour for the mountains as they are very close to the territ colour. I take it they are the blue mountains, but I can see some brown in the photo you used and that should make the pop out more. As for the hand drawn side of them, I have no problem with that part.

Yes you can ask, but i don't think that is in the best interest to add more colour to that section, as it might only look confusing and ugly. Yes there is a solid sandstone ridge vertical drop looking back from the three sisters, but i don't think it is inportant enough to warrant what you request.

Between blue mountains and Warragamba, you have a road cut out of the mountains, can you do something similar between Warragamba and Sydney university along the same line. I know you have the cut away further south. :mrgreen:

i am not sure what you're meaning there because between the BMNP and Warragamba region is the dam wall which forms the borders, and that would hardly be appropriate between Warragamba Dam and SU Farms. I think the gap between SUFarms and Warragamba is adequate to show a bordering regions. :)
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [3.6.12] P10-V17 GFX?

Postby chapcrap on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:53 pm

cairnswk wrote:
chapcrap wrote:I think that looks better, but it seems like there isn't a very good uniformity of the edges where there should be. Most notably to me around Bilpin and Wilberforce.

chapcrap, these edges replace the previous bevel as you know.
the argument before was it was too strong.
so i changed it and now it is not uniform.
the other thing is that these lines replace contour lines of sort and i am sure you have looked at contour lines and seen that the distances between lines is hardly even uniform.
so to me, that is not an issue, and uniformity is not something i am totally after with this effect.

I'm talking about how the effect coming out from the terts is not the same width all the way around? You want that to be random widths around the edges? That looks really bad, IMO.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [3.6.12] P10-V17 GFX?

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:18 pm

chapcrap wrote:...
I'm talking about how the effect coming out from the terts is not the same width all the way around? You want that to be random widths around the edges? That looks really bad, IMO.

that should be fixed for you chapcrap in v17 above.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [17.6.12] P10-V17 S & L

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:05 pm

Version 17 large and Small

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [17.6.12] P10-V17 S & L

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:54 pm

The xml is complete...
as soon as this makes forge, i'll post it in the official place.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2011/10/26 ... ey_v17.xml
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [17.6.12] P10-V17 S & L

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:33 pm

I've adjusted the above images V17L/S...K1,2,3 and Narrabeen names so they don't cause confusion.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [18.6.12] P10-V17 S & L

Postby pamoa on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:24 am

small graphic inconsistency
double crossing are grey (transparent)
simple ones are black
roads are dark grey (all should be like this)
de gueules à la tour d'argent ouverte, crénelée de trois pièces et donjonnée d'un donjon ajouré, crénelé de deux pièces
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Sydney [18.6.12] P10-V17 S & L

Postby cairnswk on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:20 pm

pamoa wrote:small graphic inconsistency
double crossing are grey (transparent)
simple ones are black
roads are dark grey (all should be like this)

well yes pamoa, but for me no.
the major 4way crossing has an average property to it, and having just explored it again with a normal properties which makes it very harsh black, i actually prefer it the way it is. :)
the other single crossings are black on a backing ground colour to give them contrast.
i've never seen bitumen that is totally black, it's more like a dark grey, some places it is light gray depending on the mix they lay.
so i'd like to keep things as they are thanks. :)
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