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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39-L&S XML Stamped

Postby isaiah40 on Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:10 pm

          Beta - Quenching

---The development period has concluded for the 1588 Spanish Armada Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Beta Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready for BETA Play. After an extended period of time in BETA and once all quirks and issues have been resolved, the map will be put into Full Play (barring any Admins or Foundry Foreman vetoes).

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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39-L&S XML Stamped

Postby cairnswk on Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:18 pm

Thank-you isaish40, nice to see this one is going to be tested :)
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:34 pm

These are adjustment images that will be added to - when someone spots an issue with anything graphic....however we will wait a little while before they are uploaded.
i have already spotted the non-centering of text in some places. :oops:

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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby Nola_Lifer on Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:57 pm

Finally :D

Game 13102017 Green gets 6? Margate Land Bonus is getting 0. What do we need to get the extra 1? Everyone else gets 7.
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby Gilligan on Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:31 pm

It looks like Margate LB should be given a +1, but is given +0
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Re: Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:45 am

Ok. I'm out of town until Saturday but I will post corrected XML then.
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:57 am

one comment from game Game 13102399 was this was a "go first you win" kind of map.
any thoughts on this!
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Re: Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby Aleena on Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:59 am

have not played it yet - but if i do, I want to go first now...
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby Nola_Lifer on Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:02 pm

cairnswk wrote:one comment from game Game 13102399 was this was a "go first you win" kind of map.
any thoughts on this!


Agreed. Even with doubles and triples it may be "go first win" map.
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:53 pm

i think the Monarch conditionals are not programmed correctly

it says: A Monarch region (M) can be assaulted only if you hold both Bow & Stern of same Commander’s Ship

so using BOB, placing the cursor over my command ships which i hold both regions of...
i can attack all M positions, and i don't tink that is what should happen

according to the instructions, because it says "a M region can be assualted only if you hold both B&S of SAME commander's ship.
so if i hold both B&S, i should not be able to see the M positions of other command vessels unless i also hold them entirely

ergo one command ship should only be able to assault it's own M position

EDIT: after checking the latest file on the previous page ...V3.xml
i found this
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<territory>
   <name>San Lorenzo Bow</name>
   <borders>
      <border>San Lorenzo Stern</border>
      <border>El Crucifijo</border>
      <border>GL (D)</border>
      <border>Don Diego Medrano M1</border>
      <border>G. Miguel Oquendo M1</border>
      <border>C. Martinez de Recalde M1</border>
      <border>C. Flores de Valdés M1</border>
      <border>D. Medina Sedonia M1</border>
      <border>Hugo de Moncada M1</border>
      <border>Sir Martin Frobisher M1</border>
      <border>Sir Francis Drake M1</border>
      <border>Ld. Charles Howard M1</border>
      <border>Sir John Hawkins M1</border>
      <border>Ld Henry Seymour M1</border>
      <border>Sir William Winter M1</border>
   </borders>
   <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Zúñiga</bombardment>
      <bombardment>SS Sáo Luis</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Sáo Filipe</bombardment>
      <bombardment>GL (E)</bombardment>
      <bombardment>GL (C)</bombardment>
      <bombardment>GL (B)</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Ciervo Volante</bombardment>
   </bombardments>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>829</smallx>
      <smally>318</smally>
      <largex>923</largex>
      <largey>354</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>


There is no conditional in it.
Also i beleive the San Lorenzo Bow should only border the Hugo De Moncado M position if the both bow and stern of San Lorenzo are held by same person....i.e. too many borders in the xml for bow and stern position.

Should not this be the xml for this conditional function?
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<territory>
   <name>San Lorenzo Bow</name>
   <borders>
      <border>San Lorenzo Stern</border>
      <border>El Crucifijo</border>
      <border>GL (D)</border>
      <border condition="San Lorenzo Command Ship">Hugo de Moncada M1</border>
   </borders>
   <bombardments>
      <bombardment>Zúñiga</bombardment>
      <bombardment>SS Sáo Luis</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Sáo Filipe</bombardment>
      <bombardment>GL (E)</bombardment>
      <bombardment>GL (C)</bombardment>
      <bombardment>GL (B)</bombardment>
      <bombardment>Ciervo Volante</bombardment>
   </bombardments>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>829</smallx>
      <smally>318</smally>
      <largex>923</largex>
      <largey>354</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>2</neutral>
</territory>


Also, i think this is missing !
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<!-- losing conditions -->
<requirement>
    <name>Any non-treasury region + either Bow or Stern of a command Ship</name>
    <components>
         <continent>Non-Treasury Region</continent>
         <continent>Bow (B) or Stern (S) of a Commander's Ship</continent>
    </components>
    <required>2</required>
</requirement>
<!-- end losing condition -->
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby pamoa on Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:58 pm

yeah that make more sense
with ship and treasury linked individually
its less open
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Re: Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby nolefan5311 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:38 pm

I don't know what file was posted into the game engine, but the below file is the latest file that I have, which includes both the losing condition, and all the correct conditional borders, as I understand them to be.

I was under the assumption that, so long as you hold the B & S of the corresponding Command Ship, you could assault the Monarch from ANY command ship. I.E., if I hold both B & S of Capitania, I can assault Don Diego Medrano from any other Command Ship. This makes more sense to me, but I can certainly change if I need to.

If I can only attack a Monarch position from the corresponding Command Ship (i.e., only two regions can assault a Monarch position), assuming I hold both B & S, that is a very simple fix I can make.

As far as first player going first, I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that the bonuses dropped are so large. It might make more sense to remove all the bonuses for SS, LB, etc., and make them autodeploys instead.
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Re: Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby nolefan5311 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:40 pm

I also think we should edit the number of starting positions to 2 or 3 total. 6 starting positions per player in 1v1 is too much.
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Re: Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:55 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:I don't know what file was posted into the game engine, but the below file is the latest file that I have, which includes both the losing condition, and all the correct conditional borders, as I understand them to be.

I was under the assumption that, so long as you hold the B & S of the corresponding Command Ship, you could assault the Monarch from ANY command ship. I.E., if I hold both B & S of Capitania, I can assault Don Diego Medrano from any other Command Ship. This makes more sense to me, but I can certainly change if I need to.

If I can only attack a Monarch position from the corresponding Command Ship (i.e., only two regions can assault a Monarch position), assuming I hold both B & S, that is a very simple fix I can make.

As far as first player going first, I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that the bonuses dropped are so large. It might make more sense to remove all the bonuses for SS, LB, etc., and make them autodeploys instead.


Well i looked at the 27Mar file and that wasn't correct either.
Anyway, lets get the file fixed as per the current conditions and get that posted....a few minutes will do it > refer examples previous page (i think they'd be correct).

nolefan5311 wrote:I also think we should edit the number of starting positions to 2 or 3 total. 6 starting positions per player in 1v1 is too much.


well, no i don't agree because this gives 1v1 oppontunity as it is now to have a really good dingdong battle.
only if there is a massive call from the player to change this will i consider it.
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Re: Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby nolefan5311 on Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:30 pm

Well, a couple people have already posted concerns about the "go first, you win" way this map appears to play. I don't know how else to change that other than limit the amount of bonuses and starting positions per player. You asked for ideas, and that seems to be the best idea in my opinion. Do you have a better one, or are you content leaving it the way it is?

And the file in the game engine right now has no conditions in it at all. If the file posted above were in play, at least there would be conditional borders.

Anyway, here is the corrected XML...conditional borders have been corrected and Margate LB has been given the proper bonus. The losing requirement was in this file the entire time.
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby Gilligan on Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:22 pm

I do remember an XML with conditional borders...maybe something got mixed up.
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Re: Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:26 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Well, a couple people have already posted concerns about the "go first, you win" way this map appears to play. I don't know how else to change that other than limit the amount of bonuses and starting positions per player. You asked for ideas, and that seems to be the best idea in my opinion. Do you have a better one, or are you content leaving it the way it is?

I have already spoken on this in previous post. Don't push me.
If there are calls for change then let the callers post in here.

And the file in the game engine right now has no conditions in it at all. If the file posted above were in play, at least there would be conditional borders.

Yes, and i don't care whose fault it is, just get the damned thing fixed the way it should be.

Anyway, here is the corrected XML...conditional borders have been corrected and Margate LB has been given the proper bonus. The losing requirement was in this file the entire time.

Thank-you.

Gilligan wrote:I do remember an XML with conditional borders...maybe something got mixed up.

That's prob true Gilligan, somehow it has got mixed up.
Let's check it and get it uploaded ASAP :)
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby Gilligan on Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:29 pm

When I get home I will check to see what file I have, but this was before the coordinate changing and border fixing. It's probably just easier to add the conditional borders to is XML.
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:36 pm

Gilligan wrote:When I get home I will check to see what file I have, but this was before the coordinate changing and border fixing. It's probably just easier to add the conditional borders to is XML.


Thanks Gilligan, i've just had a look at the "Amada16Aug.xml" file posted by Nolefan and that file is indeed "off-centering"
so it probably contains an older version.
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:39 pm

I will make changes to the 27June file that was included in the xml stamp two pages back and attach that as soon as i have it completed.

EDIT: checking adjustments on attached file
EDIT2: Checked the file and seems OK for the errors and centering.
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:17 pm

Version 40 upload, with corrected XML attached.

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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:18 pm

Gilligan wrote:When I get home I will check to see what file I have, but this was before the coordinate changing and border fixing. It's probably just easier to add the conditional borders to is XML.

Thank-you nolefan for making those corrections.

Gilligan, I have adjusted the centered xml in the attached file above.
Please check before uploading, thanks :)
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Re: Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:12 am

I've downloaded the 05Arm17AugV5.xml file and will use this version going forward for corrections.
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby Gilligan on Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:27 pm

2013-08-15 22:28:07 - Seamus76 assaulted G. Miguel Oquendo M1 from Triumph Bow and conquered it from Gilligan

should this be able to happen? I understand from the legend that you are only able to assault your own monarch, not others?
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Re: 1588 Spanish Armada [27.6.13] V39 BETA

Postby cairnswk on Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:54 pm

Gilligan wrote:2013-08-15 22:28:07 - Seamus76 assaulted G. Miguel Oquendo M1 from Triumph Bow and conquered it from Gilligan

should this be able to happen? I understand from the legend that you are only able to assault your own monarch, not others?

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