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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 05.07.2012, p14, XML]

Postby chaos32679 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:53 pm

XML posted a month ago foundry people, maybe someone could look at it sometime? That would be swell...

I know i'm a mapmaking virgin, but a month seems a little excessive to check a few lines of code... Just sayin...
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 05.07.2012, p14, XML]

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:50 am

Look forward to this, and hope to see it moving along soon.


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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 05.07.2012, p14, XML]

Postby Anthrax821 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:06 pm

snore...
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 05.07.2012, p14, XML]

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:16 pm

Sorry for the long delay.

I have checked the XML and the small looks good. The large on the other hand has three minor things to be fixed.
1 - Elizabeth, move the name up a bit as there will be a problem with the double digits plus color code covering the name.
2 - Atlantic City, the coordinates need to be moved down and to the left a tad bit, and lastly
3 - Wildwood can be moved a tad bit to the left.

Get these done, post the test results here and we can finally get this stamped!
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby chaos32679 on Sun Jun 10, 2012 2:28 pm

*** UPDATE ***

Made XML/Graphics corrections requested above. New files/images below, and in first post of thread...

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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby Anthrax821 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:17 pm

so now that this is updated do i get to wait another month in a half for someone to say "it looks like two of the pines trees are bending and mays landing should be centered" and then wait another month?
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:13 pm

Anthrax821 wrote:so now that this is updated do i get to wait another month in a half for someone to say "it looks like two of the pines trees are bending and mays landing should be centered" and then wait another month?

1. I like the bending trees. This map has a bit of whimsy to it. ;)
2. I don't think the name needs to be centered, but I don't really care either way.

The only thing graphical element about the map I am not as fond of are the mountains since they don't quite fit the style of execution you have going with the cow and the bridge and trees and the bird, etc, but they're good enough probably.

I didn't think I'd want to play on a New Jersey map when development first started, but I'd probably add this map to my rotation.


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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby Anthrax821 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:52 pm

our grocery store have plenty of bannannas andy....
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:40 pm

You've come a long way! I remember looking at the very first version of this.


=D> =D> =D>
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby squishyg on Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:56 pm

This is really coming along! I like the 1950s beach couple. It fits in well with the postcard theme.
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby chaos32679 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:07 am

Dukasaur wrote:You've come a long way! I remember looking at the very first version of this.


=D> =D> =D>


i did the first map, then Tisha started helping, lol, so that explains the 180 this map did :)

NJ is all Tisha, she deserves all the credit for the map getting this far. you're all thinkin it, im jus sayin it lol.

Thank you Tisha ;)
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby Tisha on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:29 am

chaos32679 wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:You've come a long way! I remember looking at the very first version of this.


=D> =D> =D>


i did the first map, then Tisha started helping, lol, so that explains the 180 this map did :)

NJ is all Tisha, she deserves all the credit for the map getting this far. you're all thinkin it, im jus sayin it lol.

Thank you Tisha ;)

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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby JBlombier on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:41 am

This map looks good, I like it. I'd definitely play it once it's ready.
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby DiM on Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:47 pm

1. there's a vertical crease in the paper that mysteriously manages to hide behind the continents and then reappear.
2. as andy said, the mountains don't fit with the style of the map or the style of the other icons.
3. some borders are fuzzy and "dirty". for example in the image bellow chech out the river ending, or to the right, in the little golf at the edge, the black border is thick then it suddenly narrows. or 5px SE of the word city, there seems to be some "dirt" on the border.
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4. an itsy bitsy bump in the border:
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5. the river in the upper right corner continues far outside the playing area but the river in philipsburg ends abruptly.
6. the title while being awesome in itself (gotta love those old postcards), doesn't really fit with the map at all. first, everything is flat but the title is 3D, second, everything on the map has a cartoony hand drawing feel while the title has sharp straight letters with actual photos in it. wavy flat hand drawn cartoons and sharp crisp 3d photorealism in the same image...
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby Anthrax821 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:18 pm

"again this is something that could have been brought to my attention YESTERDAY!!!"
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby chaos32679 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:35 am

DiM wrote:2. as andy said, the mountains don't fit with the style of the map or the style of the other icons.


How do they not fit? They look pretty cartoonish to me. Maybe the colors don't work? idk, maybe if you had a suggestion we could make a change, or try it and see, because i don't see anything not fitting the theme of the map so i'm not even sure what to try here...


DiM wrote:5. the river in the upper right corner continues far outside the playing area but the river in philipsburg ends abruptly.


The upper right extends because it separates two states (NJ/NY), the one in P-Burg just goes into PA, no reason for it to keep going. Extending one OR shortening the other wouldn't really do much IMO. Plus, the upper right is empty, so the extension there works i think...


DiM wrote:6. the title while being awesome in itself (gotta love those old postcards), doesn't really fit with the map at all. first, everything is flat but the title is 3D, second, everything on the map has a cartoony hand drawing feel while the title has sharp straight letters with actual photos in it. wavy flat hand drawn cartoons and sharp crisp 3d photorealism in the same image...


Going to have to disagree with you on this all the way around. The 3D fits (examples: (http://www.wildpostcards.com/wp-content/slng93/2008/09/greetings-from-atlantic-city-nj.jpg OR http://rlv.zcache.com/greetings_from_new_jersey_postcard-p239770204088223232envli_400.jpg). Secondly, the letters are filled with 'drawings', they are not filled with actual photos, a quick glance could show you that. they may look more sharp/detailed because they are smaller, but they are drawings, not photos.
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby DiM on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:24 am

chaos32679 wrote:
DiM wrote:2. as andy said, the mountains don't fit with the style of the map or the style of the other icons.


How do they not fit? They look pretty cartoonish to me. Maybe the colors don't work? idk, maybe if you had a suggestion we could make a change, or try it and see, because i don't see anything not fitting the theme of the map so i'm not even sure what to try here...


they look painted. they have wet/soft edges. whereas all other icons are clearly defined with sharp edges.
they basically represent a different style compared to all other icons.


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DiM wrote:5. the river in the upper right corner continues far outside the playing area but the river in philipsburg ends abruptly.


The upper right extends because it separates two states (NJ/NY), the one in P-Burg just goes into PA, no reason for it to keep going. Extending one OR shortening the other wouldn't really do much IMO. Plus, the upper right is empty, so the extension there works i think...


to be honest i'd like the top one shortened. i think it sticks too far out drawing attention to itself.

chaos32679 wrote:
DiM wrote:6. the title while being awesome in itself (gotta love those old postcards), doesn't really fit with the map at all. first, everything is flat but the title is 3D, second, everything on the map has a cartoony hand drawing feel while the title has sharp straight letters with actual photos in it. wavy flat hand drawn cartoons and sharp crisp 3d photorealism in the same image...


Going to have to disagree with you on this all the way around. The 3D fits (examples: (http://www.wildpostcards.com/wp-content/slng93/2008/09/greetings-from-atlantic-city-nj.jpg OR http://rlv.zcache.com/greetings_from_new_jersey_postcard-p239770204088223232envli_400.jpg). Secondly, the letters are filled with 'drawings', they are not filled with actual photos, a quick glance could show you that. they may look more sharp/detailed because they are smaller, but they are drawings, not photos.


the 3d still doesn't fit. you've shown me 2 more postcards with the same style. yes in those postcards where the 3d title is the main attraction it fits because the writing is the main actor. but here the writing is a secondary element. the map itself is the center of our attention and the map doesn't have anything 3d. regardless of where you look everything is flat until you reach the title which is 3d. as for the images inside the letters it doesn't really matter if they're photos or extremely detailed and realistic drawings because at the scale they're represented on the map they look the same and they still contrast with the cartoons on the map.
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby Anthrax821 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:44 am

it is my understanding it already passed graphics approval.

could we fix any XML issues and start playing this map already.
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:45 am

Anthrax821 wrote:it is my understanding it already passed graphics approval.

could we fix any XML issues and start playing this map already.

In Final Forge, minor graphic updates can still occur. Final Forge is for finish and polishing of all kinds.


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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby chaos32679 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:52 am

Anthrax821 wrote:it is my understanding it already passed graphics approval.

could we fix any XML issues and start playing this map already.


I get what DiM is saying about the dirty border and that little bump, will be fixed. Other things we're just going to disagree on, hopefully we can get others to give some input/opinions...
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:03 pm

chaos32679 wrote:hopefully we can get others to give some input/opinions...


About the mountains, I agree with both of you, they look nice but are very cuddly compared to the other icons. Sharpen the edges up? About the river, it could do with shortening. Title, not sure about this one so will leave that to you.
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:06 pm

This is a really terrific map, Chaos and Tisha. Look forward to playing it.


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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby chaos32679 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:18 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:This is a really terrific map, Chaos and Tisha. Look forward to playing it.


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the way this is going, you may be waiting awhile, lol
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 12:22 pm

Not really, these are all simple fixes.
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Re: New Jersey [UPDATE 06.10.2012, p15, XML Fixes]

Postby Anthrax821 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:10 pm

yes simple fixes...however, since this map has been in XML stages there has been periods of 3-5 weeks where no one has comments or checked it AND the most recent comments are graphic focused not XML.

Maybe I'm biased bc im anxious and waiting for a NJ map (something I had thought of doing as well)

Maybe I'm biased bc I know chaos

Maybe I understand why the small things are being pointed out, but at this stage it frustrates me. Especially after I have seen/played some other maps out there (and that is not a knock on those cartographers and creators necessarily). It seems that too many people have too many opinions about what to do and change and the creator's vision gets torn to shreds, sometimes probably a massive improvement, sometimes detrimental. Too many cooks spoils the stew...

After following this process closely though I can say is the interest I had in making maps is now very, very diminished.
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