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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby thehippo8 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:59 pm

Hmmm ... I guess I am going to have to agree on a name change. Sure the Falklands War (series of battles) dominated the year, but it was also the start of the Lebanon War which went on for 20 years! There were a number of other minor attrocities, plane crashes, establishment of the Senegambia Confederation, a massive earthquake in Yemen and other notable events (like the first emoticons and syzygy) but those were the main two battles. Problem is that I am unsure which deserves "1982" more than the other. If you don't like Maggie's war then you'll have to try something else!
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby deantursx on Tue Jun 05, 2012 6:31 pm

hey koontz I'm wondering if it might b a cool idea to put a +1 autodeploy on the first aircraft for both sides. I've been playing it 1v1, and its pretty awesome, but I can't really see myself going for the planes with how high the neuts are
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:41 pm

koontz1973 wrote:nobodies, lets try and get some suggestions into the thread. Can I ask you to change the title on the start a game page and map index to...

1982 Falklands War / Guerra de las Malvinas

Now, lets try and see if we can improve this somewhat.

I'll pass this onto the powers that be.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:44 pm

deantursx wrote:hey koontz I'm wondering if it might b a cool idea to put a +1 autodeploy on the first aircraft for both sides. I've been playing it 1v1, and its pretty awesome, but I can't really see myself going for the planes with how high the neuts are

A +1 auto on the first planes would take the most powerful part of the map and make them even stronger. In most 1v1 games, no one will go for them, as you said, to many neutrals but that is normal for a 1v1 game.
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koontz1973 wrote:nobodies, lets try and get some suggestions into the thread. Can I ask you to change the title on the start a game page and map index to...

1982 Falklands War / Guerra de las Malvinas

Now, lets try and see if we can improve this somewhat.

I'll pass this onto the powers that be.

Thank you isaiah40.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby isaiah40 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:49 am

Files were sent and updated!! :D
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:17 am

As I discussed in the game we're in koontz, I really think there needs to be a bonus override for the plane bonus. As is, if you hold all 6 planes for one side, you get a +12, and these regions can be totally held by holding only two regions (each sides helicopter). The +6 should override the +4, etc., instead of being able to pull the +6, the +4, and the +2.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 10:37 am

nolefan5311 wrote:As I discussed in the game we're in koontz, I really think there needs to be a bonus override for the plane bonus. As is, if you hold all 6 planes for one side, you get a +12, and these regions can be totally held by holding only two regions (each sides helicopter). The +6 should override the +4, etc., instead of being able to pull the +6, the +4, and the +2.

Each helicopter can be assaulted from 2 or 3 different territs. You have a total of 27 neutrals to get if you go for the max bonus (51for both sides). Holding both helicopters in the early game is impossible. All aircraft can be shot down from from the opposing countries planes so defending them is imperative. Looking at games since you spoke about this in game chat but it does not seem to be the overriding factor in games. Players are not grabbing them quick enough for my liking. Air power won this war so it needs to be strong and right now, I think it may be a tad early to say it is too strong.

Why would anyone go for 27 neutrals just to get a 6 bonus? They would become useless. You need to defend both helicopters as you said but they can be attacked by 5 territs, which is not easy. You only need to break one side to be able to shoot down all planes and remove all bonuses.

It is a different dynamic for the game but I see no reason for the override.

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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:14 pm

Perhaps you could lower the neutrals some? Perhaps that the reason players aren't grabbing them quick for you. But a +12 for 6 regions is way too high.

The bonus spreadsheet indicates it should be a 3.25. 6 total territories that can be defended by 2 territories with 5 territories that can attack and 7 different continent neighbors yields a suggested decimal bonus of 3.25. And then the bonus can be doubled by defending the same exact two regions. If someone takes control of both the helicopters early they can chip away at the planes and in a round or two be given a +24 with two regions to defend. That's game over.

I understand about wanting to keep it as historically accurate as possible, but for the sake of gameplay some things need to be adjusted. I don't know why this, and other issues I've already posted on, weren't discussed in the MFW.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 12:35 pm

The reason players are not grabbing them quick is that players tend not to go for neutrals. That has always been the case, hence the higher bonuses. To try and get them to go for them.

Your 6 total territs that can be defended by 2 territs bonuses say around 3.2. What does it say when you run the numbers that say you need to defend all 6 territs? In other words, you hold all British aircraft and I hold all Argentine aircraft.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:19 pm

koontz1973 wrote:The reason players are not grabbing them quick is that players tend not to go for neutrals. That has always been the case, hence the higher bonuses. To try and get them to go for them.

Your 6 total territs that can be defended by 2 territs bonuses say around 3.2. What does it say when you run the numbers that say you need to defend all 6 territs? In other words, you hold all British aircraft and I hold all Argentine aircraft.


6 territories for the bonus with 6 territories to defend, 11 territories that can attack it, and 7 continent neighbors yields a suggested decimal bonus of 6.92. This is much closer. I'm working now and can't too detailed with this, but I will try to post some ideas tonight too, if you're receptive to receiving them :)
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:43 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:but I will try to post some ideas tonight too, if you're receptive to receiving them :)


Nope, not in a million years. :P

Post away. :D
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby thehippo8 on Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:07 pm

Thanks for the perfect screws! (Image update)
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:30 am

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Sent to the turtle! :)

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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:30 am

Thanks.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby thenobodies80 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:15 pm

and updated. ;)

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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby deantursx on Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:50 pm

Hey so I've played 3 or 4 1v1 games on 1982, and it seems like every time it was decided immediately. This is of course the case with most maps on CC haha, but I was wondering if it might be a little interesting if more spots were randomly neutral and less held by players? Just a thought.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:05 pm

Looked at the xml and noticed tat I have not put a couple of things in tat could help the 1v1 game. Will get that done this weekend. That might help the 1v1 game.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:49 am

koontz1973 wrote:Looked at the xml and noticed tat I have not put a couple of things in tat could help the 1v1 game. Will get that done this weekend. That might help the 1v1 game.


Nah leave it alone so I can beat you again!! :lol:

Really what ever will help make things more balanced!!
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:10 am

What I was looking at is programming start positions with a max of 17. All territs that are not deployed will start as 1 neutral with the current ones staying as they are. This would mean that in 1v1 and 1v1v1 games, all players will start with 15 troops and all games 4players and above will not be affected. The random drop will still be in effect but with an upper limit applied for the small games.

As for beating me, it is still 3/2 in my favour so if you want a rematch, set it up.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:13 am

koontz1973 wrote:As for beating me, it is still 3/2 in my favour so if you want a rematch, set it up.

Deal as soon as you make the changes - to see how it plays of course.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby Swifte on Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:51 am

I've played this map a few times now and I like it, particularly the choice of graphics and the interesting gameplay.

I know there's a note on the map about the 1 deploy per 4 regions, but could there be a note about the minimum of 4 as well? I know it's crowded already.. but that's a fairly unique rule to the map, i keep trying to get people under 16 thinking it's going to do some good and here they come again with 4.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:14 am

Will see if I can add it in Swifte. As you said, it is tight but I should be able to get it in somewhere.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby Jatekos on Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:44 am

Jatekos wrote:- Flag signs: It took me quite long to figure out which is the side of the British air force and which is the side of Argentinian one. My first guess was that the British planes could be the ones on the right side. I am quite familiar with both flags, but somehow the sign that is used here to represent the UK flag did not ring the bell for me quickly. Would it be possible to refer to these signs on the legend (next to the names of the nations somewhere)?
- "Reinforcements 1/4": I am not a native English speaker as you can tell, but I think that the proper CC terminology would be "region bonus". The verb reinforce in CC is used to describe the post-attack phase when the player can move his/her existing troops to another place.
- "Woods, mountains and mine fields are impassable" - The pictures below this text are in different order. They should match.

koontz1973 wrote: Will look to the flag problem but right now, there is no room for anything else in the legend. Will change reinforcements 1/4. Grey shape is a sinking ship to reinforce the impassable. Clearly seen on the large map.

I would like to bump the above suggestions before they're forgotten. Also, I think that the sinking ship would be more recognizable and would look much better from a different angle (i.e. you could show it more from the side).
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:10 am

I am working on it, it is just hard with the size. Also, as this is not a game play requirement, was waiting for a few more things so as the foundry boss did not need to update the map so often.
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Re: 1982 [BETA]

Postby RUBENIUSSS on Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:38 am

Great map...but the planes should be Autodeploy!
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