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Re: 1982 [11/11] V12 Page 1/6

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:18 pm

On a side note, it is the 30th anniversary of the conflict next year.

The Falkland Islands, sovereign British territory since 1833, were forcibly seized by Argentina in April 1982.

That act lead to the 74-day Falklands War, which was won by Margaret Thatcher's Task Force, and which cost the lives of 258 British servicemen and 649 Argentines.
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Re: 1982 [11/11] V12 Page 1/6

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:06 pm

As of right now, I'm not seeing any glaring problems with gameplay. I'll get a couple of others to take a look at it.
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Re: 1982 [11/11] V12 Page 1/6

Postby thehippo8 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:47 pm

Looking good - but the aircraft kind of disappear on my notebook screen, maybe the image could be embossed a little (or some'nk like that)?
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Re: 1982 [11/11] V12 Page 1/6

Postby isaiah40 on Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:42 pm

thehippo8 wrote:Looking good - but the aircraft kind of disappear on my notebook screen, maybe the image could be embossed a little (or some'nk like that)?


And I forgot this graphics thing. For some reason I don't think the Argentinians or the Brits had or have the A-10's. Those Chinooks yes, but not the A-10's. You might want to replace them with a replica of the aircraft they used. Such as the Harrier.
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Re: 1982 [11/11] V12 Page 1/6

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:48 am

Planes can go through a redraw, no problem now that I have learnt how to do it.
Thanks for the look isaiah40, lets hope the others do not see anything.
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Re: 1982 [11/11] V12 Page 1/6

Postby thehippo8 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:04 am

koontz1973 wrote:Planes can go through a redraw, no problem now that I have learnt how to do it.
Thanks for the look isaiah40, lets hope the others do not see anything.


I see nothing ... nothing ...!!
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Re: 1982 [11/11] V12 Page 1/6

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:11 am

thehippo8 wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:Planes can go through a redraw, no problem now that I have learnt how to do it.
Thanks for the look isaiah40, lets hope the others do not see anything.


I see nothing ... nothing ...!!


Press refresh.

Lay of the mind altering substances.

If you still do not see anything, I can suggest a good optromotrist. ;)
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Re: 1982 [11/11] V12 Page 1/6

Postby thehippo8 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:23 am

After heavy sedation I see a wonderful hue of change ... would be nice but not mandatory of course ... if the planes had a more structure about them, like embossery or outline or a shadow or some such (hint ... maybe cut and paste and play with the plane imeage and them paste it back or something ... or ... ) .... er
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Re: 1982 [11/11] V12 Page 1/6

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:23 am

Here is the Harrier in the plane strip. Gave both vountries a different lighter colour. Not sure if it was needed but the came out allright. ;) A little smaller than the other aircraft so might need to increase the size a bit.
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Re: 1982 [12/11] Latest image Page 1/6

Postby thehippo8 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:12 pm

Yeah! Much better!
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Re: 1982 [12/11] Latest image Page 1/6

Postby tokle on Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:50 pm

Did the Argentinians use Harriers too?
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Re: 1982 [12/11] Latest image Page 1/6

Postby thehippo8 on Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:13 pm

tokle wrote:Did the Argentinians use Harriers too?


Good point ... no they used Skyhawks while the British had the Sea Harriers. The links have pictures of the planes. Note that other types of planes were also used.
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Re: 1982 [12/11] Latest image Page 1/6

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:33 am

They did use harriers, but only in a very limited capacity. Not sure if they where used in the conflict though. Will change to
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While I am at it, I will change the Englich helicopter to a sea king.
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Re: 1982 [12/11] Latest image Page 1/6

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:53 am

Did the redraw on the planes. Changed the (A) planes to the Skyhawk and the (B) helicopter to the Seaking. Also did a slight adjustment to the ALZ1 so it does not sit on top of the forest now. Had a go at arrows too. ;)
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Re: 1982 [13/11] Latest image Page 1/7

Postby thehippo8 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:32 am

Yeah, nice! Looks done to me.
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Re: 1982 [13/11] Latest image Page 1/7

Postby isaiah40 on Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:01 pm

Everything IMO is looking pretty solid, but I have a couple of gameplay things that need to be cleared up. In the legend describing the attack/bombardment of the ships. I think you should move the Enemies=Opposing nation to ship attack/bombard description. That way no one has to look all over the map to see what constitutes enemy ships. Something like this:
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Also I'm thinking that when you do the small you will have problems with the legend area as a whole. Since you have some room at the bottom of the playable area of the map, shuffle the ARA ships and names around and increase the size of the legend height-wise. With the moving of the Enemy=Opposing nation, you can increase the font size a bit so that it will be readable on the small.
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Re: 1982 [13/11] Latest image Page 1/7

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:33 am

isaiah40 wrote:Everything IMO is looking pretty solid, but I have a couple of gameplay things that need to be cleared up. In the legend describing the attack/bombardment of the ships. I think you should move the Enemies=Opposing nation to ship attack/bombard description. That way no one has to look all over the map to see what constitutes enemy ships. Something like this:

I also have the reference to the enemy planes in the air force section. If I use your suggestion, then logically I need to put it there as well. As people normally read from left to right, if I put the rules of engagement on the left of the legend so this is going to be what most people read first, it should solve the problem. Either that, I need to place it with the airforces.
isaiah40 wrote:Also I'm thinking that when you do the small you will have problems with the legend area as a whole. Since you have some room at the bottom of the playable area of the map, shuffle the ARA ships and names around and increase the size of the legend height-wise. With the moving of the Enemy=Opposing nation, you can increase the font size a bit so that it will be readable on the small.

I have got extra room for the legend in the small by using the sea territs at the top of the board, airforce strip and some pixels in the large legend. So the small legend will take up a bigger percentage of the map (not much more, between 5-10%)) but with so many different parts of the legend (each draft has gotten more rules added to it), this is the only way to squeeze it all in without applying for a larger small version which is not what I would like to do. Let me get the small legend made up today for you to see what I mean.
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Re: 1982 [13/11] Latest image Page 1/7

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:28 am

Here is the small legend with the above change of moving the rules of engagement to the left.
It needs a little work to make nice but with the text at 8 pixels, it seems pretty clear without being overly small and hard to read. This image for the small legend is 189 pixels high compared to the large maps 219 pixels. I can get the extra room from the top and bottom of the map where the land and sea territs are extra large. So the map will still look identical apart from the top which would look a little smaller on the small map.
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Do I need to still move the opposing nation/player to the navel and air force parts of the legend?
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Re: 1982 [13/11] Latest image Page 1/7

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:33 am

I believe that should work as the Enemy=Opposing force would be remembered as the rest is read. Can you post the small and large so I can see them please?
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Re: 1982 [13/11] Latest image Page 1/7

Postby pamoa on Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:05 am

question
what is the bombardement range of submarines
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Postby koontz1973 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:13 am

pamoa wrote:question
what is the bombardement range of submarines

They can bombard the whole fleet.
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Postby koontz1973 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:18 am

Large map.
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Small map.
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As you can see, not much of a dent into the small map as I was only getting the spacing sorted out before continuing.
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Postby isaiah40 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:32 am

Thank you, I think that will work, so get back to work!! :P
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Postby koontz1973 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:35 am

Cheers, will do.
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Postby koontz1973 on Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:10 pm

Here is the new legend layout. Will get on and do the small map if stamped now. ;)
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