Classic Cities :Pot Mosbi [Quenched]

[cairnswk]

OK, the real issue here is with the amount of regions a player must conquer in order to get his first bonus.

You have:
Huli - 2
Iwan - 3
Motu - 4
Jiwiki - 4
Chimbu - 4
Enga - 3
Highland - 3
Asaro - 3
--> Huli would very probably get their +2 bonus in a second turn and then could damage other players, gaining a massive advantage, while in speedier games Chimbu would probably never achieve their own bonus.

Optimally, these number should all be the same, probably 3 (therefore 4 regions for the whole bonus zone);
so, for example,
Huli - either make a new territory between Saraga and Jacksons OR Saraga and Faiv Mail
Motu - merge Paga and Lapun Biktaun
Jiwiki - merge Napa Napa Rot Fo and Napa Napa Rot Tre
Chimbu - merge Gogodala Viles and Baruni Westim Ples
-> the bonuses then should be changed accordingly.

((Alternatively, I am thinking about more complicated gameplay tweaks - such as giving only a maximum of +1 bonus per a minimum of 2 regions in the bonus area close to the tribe IF the player holds the tribe.
That would also reduce any possible early game advantages/disadvantages for getting a strong bonus zone & being lucky in your first turn. I am fairly confident that XML would allow this, but I think it is rather complicated, so I'd rather try to balance it out by redrawing as I suggested above.))

I'd prefer not to go to re-draw....that would cause me grief
But i don understand what you are saying.

I really don't think it's an issue. I think it'll even out Plus, it's good to have diversity with starting positions.

-Sully

I am incluinde to agree with Sully here. While it is not totally like Pearl Harbour, I think there is possibility that even in 1v1 games you won't get the same starting position, If you do there is something seriously wrong with the game engine.
So in the end, the drop is stil going to be left up to luck. I am sure Sully will see to this with the xml coding.

GP finished?

Yes !

But you may be right - I wonder what others think?

I think the current set up is probably fine. If you take into account other variables, like expansion possibilities for instance, Motu can expand into Biktaun while keeping their overall border count down.


--Andy

Thanks guys for confirmation of this.

[Victor Sullivan]

Looks okay to me! Graphically speaking, I'm not digging the texture

-Sully

To clarify on my post, I think the texture is a little odd; it doesn't quite fit. More importantly, I think it makes the map look a lot more busy than it needs to be. If you want to use a texture, I suggest something much more subtle. Hopefully this helps

-Sully

[cairnswk]

Looks okay to me! Graphically speaking, I'm not digging the texture

-Sully

To clarify on my post, I think the texture is a little odd; it doesn't quite fit. More importantly, I think it makes the map look a lot more busy than it needs to be. If you want to use a texture, I suggest something much more subtle. Hopefully this helps

-Sully

So you want something that is flatter. without the lumps and bumps?

[Victor Sullivan]

Looks okay to me! Graphically speaking, I'm not digging the texture

-Sully

To clarify on my post, I think the texture is a little odd; it doesn't quite fit. More importantly, I think it makes the map look a lot more busy than it needs to be. If you want to use a texture, I suggest something much more subtle. Hopefully this helps

-Sully

So you want something that is flatter. without the lumps and bumps?

I mean, I think it could work, so long as it's more subtle.

-Sully

[cairnswk]

Looks okay to me! Graphically speaking, I'm not digging the texture

-Sully

To clarify on my post, I think the texture is a little odd; it doesn't quite fit. More importantly, I think it makes the map look a lot more busy than it needs to be. If you want to use a texture, I suggest something much more subtle. Hopefully this helps

-Sully

So you want something that is flatter. without the lumps and bumps?

I mean, I think it could work, so long as it's more subtle.

-Sully

And you are only talking about the ground texture - not the mountains?

[Victor Sullivan]

Looks okay to me! Graphically speaking, I'm not digging the texture

-Sully

To clarify on my post, I think the texture is a little odd; it doesn't quite fit. More importantly, I think it makes the map look a lot more busy than it needs to be. If you want to use a texture, I suggest something much more subtle. Hopefully this helps

-Sully

So you want something that is flatter. without the lumps and bumps?

I mean, I think it could work, so long as it's more subtle.

-Sully

And you are only talking about the ground texture - not the mountains?

Correct.

-Sully

[cairnswk]

A request from Sully to make the ground texture more subtle...hope this works

Version 9

[isaiah40]

Okay, before the stamp comes out I just want to confirm a couple of things from ian's suggestion a little while ago:

are we looking at 104 regions total, 3 starting neutrals, 1 existing normal neutral plus normal neutrals on the 3 extra regions i requested?

Normal +1 for 3 regions and 1 underlying neutral start position per player? if so, then this gives 29 regions each for 1v1, 22 for 2v2, 19 for 3v3 and 11 for 4v4 and this is good for a stamp.

Does this look about right about right cairns? I couldn't find exactly where ian made his request, so I'm going by what he pm'd me. Let me know and we can get this stamped!!

[iancanton]

3 starting neutrals

i actually meant 3 killer neutrals.

ian.

[cairnswk]

...
my usual bête noire. saraga needs a neutral start, so does saut nambis and probably waigani too. ...

3 starting neutrals

i actually meant 3 killer neutrals.

ian.

isaiah40, This is the only communication i can find from ian about starting neutrals.

From my understanding:
Idlers Solwara, Pot Mosbi Pasis, Walters Solwara - are killer neutrals resetting to 2 at the beginning of each turn - these are the 3 killer neutrals ian referred to above.
Tokarara - 2 starting neutral
Saraga, Waigani, and Gabatu - 3 starting neutral (requested from ian above)

I also think a neutral is needed on Karabosea - since Boroko is a 3 terr region also.

I've also re-worked the army circles, and sorry Sully, but some positions have changed due to manouevering to fit in.

Please F5 to see the changes in V9 above.

This makes a total of 104 - 8 neutrals = 96 starting terr's.

[iancanton]

thanks, cairns. 28 for 2-player, 22 for 4-player, 15 for 6-player and 12 for 8-player. hmm. how do we fix that for trips and quads?

ian.

[isaiah40]

thanks, cairns. 28 for 2-player, 22 for 4-player, 15 for 6-player and 12 for 8-player. hmm. how do we fix that for trips and quads?

ian.

Could we add in another starting neutral? I would think that should work.

[cairnswk]

thanks, cairns. 28 for 2-player, 22 for 4-player, 15 for 6-player and 12 for 8-player. hmm. how do we fix that for trips and quads?

ian.

NP ian. my pleasure.

thanks, cairns. 28 for 2-player, 22 for 4-player, 15 for 6-player and 12 for 8-player. hmm. how do we fix that for trips and quads?

ian.

Could we add in another starting neutral? I would think that should work.

Sure, where would you like it - perhaps 3 neutral on Bigpela Gavman Distrik?

[isaiah40]

That could work, though I was thinking of one of the utilities or parks. Any way would be fine with me.

[cairnswk]

That could work, though I was thinking of one of the utilities or parks. Any way would be fine with me.

Ah BGD is one of the utilities - it's purple