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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 22th, page 35

Postby Gilligan on Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:03 am

Oneyed wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Sorry Oneyed. :)


things happend. thanks for your help and get new PC :)

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I will check the xml and gladly add any of the required tags. No need to hold this map up if we don't need to!
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 22th, page 35

Postby Gilligan on Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:34 pm

One thing: you have SR Kraj bonus listed twice so I removed this part of the code:

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<name>Kraj (SR)</name>
<bonuses>
<bonus required="1">2</bonus>
<bonus required="2">2</bonus>
<bonus required="3">2</bonus>
</bonuses>
<components>
<continent>ZSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
<continent>SSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
<continent>VSK Kraj (SR)</continent>
</components>
</continent>


Because a few lines earlier you have this code,

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<continent>
<name>ZSK Kraj (SR)</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<territory>ZSK</territory>
<territory>Kúty</territory>
<territory>Nitra</territory>
<territory>Trenčín</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>SSK Kraj (SR)</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<territory>SSK</territory>
<territory>Žilina</territory>
<territory>Banská Bystrica</territory>
<territory>Lučenec</territory>
</components>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>VSK Kraj (SR)</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
<components>
<territory>VSK</territory>
<territory>Poprad</territory>
<territory>Prešov</territory>
<territory>Košice</territory>
</components>
</continent>


I have also added the required tag for the collection CR bonus. I also eliminated the starting positions as that is what seems to have gone on here.

That said, here is the newest and complete xml: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/11/14 ... 8/Frag.xml

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 22th, page 35

Postby Oneyed on Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:50 pm

I check it, mainly names and it is fine. thank you Gilligan :)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 22th, page 35

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:35 am

Last Call

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If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any reasonable objection or protest, the map will be stamped and submitted for the Beta period.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 22th, page 35

Postby Jippd on Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:17 am

Oneyed do you think it is clear which region is part of the CR and which region is part of the SR? I don't know if the details on the map explain it well enough.

Possible solutions:

A line to divide the SR and CR
Labeling for SR/CR in conjuction with the border line
Unique outlining for SR regions compared to CR regions
Explaining a SR kraj is composed of 4 regions and a CR kraj is 3 regions.

I know this is somewhat explained by explaining the kraj in the SR and CR boxes but I wonder if it can be more clear for people that are not familiar with the map.

You could also just wait and if it goes live see if there is confusion for people or not.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 22th, page 35

Postby Oneyed on Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:52 am

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You could also just wait and if it goes live see if there is confusion for people or not.


this :mrgreen:

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 22th, page 35

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:38 am

Jippd wrote:Oneyed do you think it is clear which region is part of the CR and which region is part of the SR? I don't know if the details on the map explain it well enough.


The two small minimap don't help for that? I know that they are not very visible but personally I can distiniguish easily the border between CR and SR with the colors and their shapes.

Jippd wrote:I know this is somewhat explained by explaining the kraj in the SR and CR boxes but I wonder if it can be more clear for people that are not familiar with the map.


I have to say that I agree with this. The first time it took a bit to understand what was a kraj. Like you said the explanation is there, but it's not 2 seconds thing; you need to look at the bottom right legend and after excluding every thing that is listed into there, you can find out what a kraj is.
Actually I think that understand what a kraj is (from a gameplay point of view) the weakest point of the map.
I never said a word about that just because the map is visually simple and there're no extended legends, so it takes just few mins to study it.

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P.s. @ Oneyed, into the OP leave only the latest big and small version posted as images, everything else could be posted as links instead of using spoilers. It will take a lot less to display the map. ;)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Jan 22th, page 35

Postby Oneyed on Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:36 am

ok. I followed your advices and did some changes. in the text is written:
Kraj - coloured REGION and 2/3 Towns inside its border

and I add names of Czech Republic and Slovak Republic to map (in big one, for small one I added on CR/SR)

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maybe this could helps. thanks guys for advices.
thenobodies80 wrote:P.s. @ Oneyed, into the OP leave only the latest big and small version posted as images, everything else could be posted as links instead of using spoilers. It will take a lot less to display the map. ;)


sorry, but how can I add only link instead of picture (map)?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:46 am

I prefer the version without the names tbh.
The explanation works great!

To add only links use the [url] tag, for example.

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[url]http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8490/840x80001.png[/url]


I edited the first post so you know how to do it in future. O:)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby Oneyed on Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:04 am

thenobodies80 wrote:I prefer the version without the names tbh.


me too :) .
but there could be two reasons why have them:
1, they made clear where is CR and where is SR.
2, when you look at background map (and Czechoslovak map is its component) each state has its name written there.

but have them on map or not depends on how much the names help to identify CR or SR...
thenobodies80 wrote:The explanation works great!


thanks.
thenobodies80 wrote:To add only links use the [url] tag, for example.
I edited the first post so you know how to do it in future. O:)


thank you :)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby Jippd on Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:44 pm

We can try the version without the background text for CR and SR and see what happens.

I'm just thinking about a new player. If they take a colored region and two towns inside of it they may think they have a CR bonus but really they are in the SR and only have two/three towns that they need for the bonus.

I say we try out the pg. 35 version and if there is a problem in beta with people knowing difference between CR and SR we will know then and adjustments can be made.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby thenobodies80 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:09 am

I was thinking....did you tried to have a darker continuous outline for the two countries, just a bit?
It could be another solution, less invasive than the names written on the background.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby Oneyed on Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:25 am

what about this? I like this the most. I add more opacity to small CR/SR map in upper right and bottom left legend. just is text in CR/SR legends readable?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby Jippd on Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:59 am

Yes that last idea is brilliant
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:13 am

Jippd wrote:Yes that last idea is brilliant


thanks. hope the text is readable enough...

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:42 am

Oneyed, everything in the large version seems to be slightly out of focus. The small map is super sharp and lovely to look at. Why the difference?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:06 am

koontz1973 wrote:Oneyed, everything in the large version seems to be slightly out of focus. The small map is super sharp and lovely to look at. Why the difference?


do not know what happends to big version :) better?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:10 am

Better, but Hungary text looks darker than Germany, Austria and Poland. Apart from that, nothing looks untoward now. Looking forward to playing.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:47 am

koontz1973 wrote:Better, but Hungary text looks darker than Germany, Austria and Poland.


solved.

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CRe: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby Jippd on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:20 pm

Can you darken the text in the mini boxes with the SR/CR images behind them? I think it will be easier to read.
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Re: CRe: Fragmentation of CSFR - updated. Feb 18, page 36

Postby Oneyed on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:03 am

Jippd wrote:Can you darken the text in the mini boxes with the SR/CR images behind them? I think it will be easier to read.


no. they will not fit with the rest text. I lowered opacity of small maps of SR/CR.

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anything else is needed?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - 22/02, page 37

Postby Jippd on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:47 am

Can you lower it more? The main problem I see is the word "Towns" in the Kraj description the CR box
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - 22/02, page 37

Postby Oneyed on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:03 pm

big and also small maps redrawn. changed railways, now it more fit witht he rest of map. so if there will be no problems map is ready for beta.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - redrawn, 23/02, page 37

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:14 am

A question...you started with the small map and then you enlarged it to obtain the big version?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - redrawn, 23/02, page 37

Postby Oneyed on Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:27 am

thenobodies80 wrote:A question...you started with the small map and then you enlarged it to obtain the big version?


no, the base is big one.

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