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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - brand new large version

Postby tokle on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:28 pm

Oneyed wrote:
tokle wrote:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/CoA_CSFRc.svg
You can use that.


thanks, but I used this one. it is too big and when I resized it, it looked bad...

Really?
It looks fine when I do it. It's an SVG file, so you should be able to reduce the size without it looking worse at all.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - brand new large version

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 15, 2012 4:56 pm

this is the result. do you like it?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - brand new large version

Postby natty dread on Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:51 am

Oneyed, when you resize things, do you have the interpolation algorithm set to Sinc?

When you select the scale tool, the tool settings has a drop-down box that says "Interpolation", if you set it to "sinc (lanczos3)" before you resize things, you'll get better results.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - brand new large version

Postby Oneyed on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:04 am

natty dread wrote:Oneyed, when you resize things, do you have the interpolation algorithm set to Sinc?

When you select the scale tool, the tool settings has a drop-down box that says "Interpolation", if you set it to "sinc (lanczos3)" before you resize things, you'll get better results.


natty, this advice should become a week sooner :D . I could had much less problems... thank you very much - yours advices work perfect =D>

tokle, thanks for coa. and sorry for my not knowing of GIMP possibilities :oops:

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - brand new large version

Postby natty dread on Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:23 am

Oneyed wrote:natty, this advice should become a week sooner :D . I could had much less problems... thank you very much - yours advices work perfect =D>


Ok, no problem. Just so you don't have to change the setting every time, do this:

Go to preferences (in the edit menu), there go to "tool options" and set "default interpolation" to Sinc, this way the interpolation will always be set to it when you start gimp.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - should we go with this version?

Postby Flapcake on Thu Feb 16, 2012 9:46 am

This is realy looking nice now, all smooted out :)

One nick picking thing, thers some white pixels at the borders between the territorys, is it suposed to be like this ? ohterwise you can easily fill it out whit the brush ;)

hmm wheres the draft stamp ? :mrgreen:

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - should we go with this version?

Postby natty dread on Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:02 am

A few things that could use attention before we start talking about stamps and whatnot...

The background looks really blurry and messy. Maybe you could find a better one? Or try making one yourself. There are some sites with free textures and patterns, you could search for a paper texture from one of those.

http://www.cgtextures.com/
http://www.textureking.com/

Also, the colour scheme of the map seems kind of drab and dull. Try making the colours a bit more lively.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - should we go with this version?

Postby Oneyed on Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:03 am

here is new version with another background and some little graphics things.
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Flapcake wrote:hmm wheres the draft stamp ? :mrgreen:

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thanks Flap. so where is it? :-k

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - no opinions here?

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:52 am

:ike the border but the lines on the map could be toned down a bit. Also, everything looks really crisp and sharp, which does not look good on the paper you have it. Wrinkle up the borders a tad.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - no opinions here?

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:53 am

koontz1973 wrote:everything looks really crisp and sharp, which does not look good


What? :-s
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - no opinions here?

Postby Oneyed on Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:33 pm

natty dread wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:everything looks really crisp and sharp, which does not look good


What? :-s


I do not also understand what you mean?

another background and lines a little less visible.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Jippd on Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:59 pm

Bottom right of map corner:
independent is spelled wrong

And what is a kraj? Can't even figure out the bonus structure because I have no idea what a kraj is

I would also consider abbreviating the CR/SR in the box in the bottom left corner that shows which belongs to CR/SR. This will free up some clutter in that top right box where you redefine and illustrate the abbreviation.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby tokle on Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:55 pm

Jippd wrote:Bottom right of map corner:
independent is spelled wrong

And what is a kraj? Can't even figure out the bonus structure because I have no idea what a kraj is

The Krajs are the coloured teritories. The three-letter ones. The towns are the black dots inside them. I take it he means the bonus is for the kraj terit itself and the towns inside it.

Jippd wrote:I would also consider abbreviating the CR/SR in the box in the bottom left corner that shows which belongs to CR/SR. This will free up some clutter in that top right box where you redefine and illustrate the abbreviation.

I would write CR and SR in brackets after the names by the two miniature maps in the bottom left. And then use the abbreviations everywhere else.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Oneyed on Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:06 pm

Jippd wrote:Bottom right of map corner:
independent is spelled wrong


I see now. will edit this.
Jippd wrote:And what is a kraj? Can't even figure out the bonus structure because I have no idea what a kraj is


Kraj is name for region in Czech and Slovak republics, so two (Czech republic) or three towns (Slovak republic) + region. will do something with this - rename Kraj to Region or add Kraj (region and its towns). what is better way?
Jippd wrote:I would also consider abbreviating the CR/SR in the box in the bottom left corner that shows which belongs to CR/SR. This will free up some clutter in that top right box where you redefine and illustrate the abbreviation.


you mean delete CR/SR in the upper right corner, yes?

thank you for input :)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Oneyed on Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:46 pm

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Jippd wrote:Bottom right of map corner:
independent is spelled wrong

And what is a kraj? Can't even figure out the bonus structure because I have no idea what a kraj is

The Krajs are the coloured teritories. The three-letter ones. The towns are the black dots inside them. I take it he means the bonus is for the kraj terit itself and the towns inside it.


tokle read it correct. ;)

added explantation what is Kraj and also used CR/SR everywhere...

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Jippd on Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:47 pm

Yes that looks much better.

Small note but it should say On the 1st of whatever year not in the first of

I also think you should edit the boxes.

One should contain all the bonus possibilities..(the 2 kraj bonus' for CR/SR...the towns bonus...and the bonus' the two capitals give you)

The other box should explain:
what a kraj is
what a town is and what towns can/cannot attack
what highways do
explain the capitals are not part of the town bonus (are they part of the kraj bonus)?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Oneyed on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:10 pm

Jippd wrote:Yes that looks much better.


thanks.
Jippd wrote:Small note but it should say On the 1st of whatever year not in the first of


what about: On the January 1, 1989.....

Jippd wrote:One should contain all the bonus possibilities..(the 2 kraj bonus' for CR/SR...the towns bonus...and the bonus' the two capitals give you)

The other box should explain:
what a kraj is
what a town is and what towns can/cannot attack
what highways do


I thought about this. will see if there will be enough spac for this in each legend...
Jippd wrote:explain the capitals are not part of the town bonus (are they part of the kraj bonus)?


no, capitals are not part of Kraj bonuses.

maybe I could delete highway between Praha and Benešov (the lie in the same Kraj so can assault each other without highway) and the same with highway between Bratislava and Trenčín.

waiting for opinions.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Jippd on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:10 pm

"On the 1st of January in 1993 the CSFR divided into two independent states, the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic"

Or

"On the 1st of January in 1993 the CSFR was forever divided into two independent states, the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic"

Or

"On January 1st, 1993 the CSFR was forever divided into two independent states, the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic"
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Jippd on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:20 pm

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Jippd wrote:Yes that looks much better.


thanks.
Jippd wrote:Small note but it should say On the 1st of whatever year not in the first of


what about: On the January 1, 1989.....

Jippd wrote:One should contain all the bonus possibilities..(the 2 kraj bonus' for CR/SR...the towns bonus...and the bonus' the two capitals give you)

The other box should explain:
what a kraj is
what a town is and what towns can/cannot attack
what highways do


I thought about this. will see if there will be enough spac for this in each legend...
Jippd wrote:explain the capitals are not part of the town bonus (are they part of the kraj bonus)?


no, capitals are not part of Kraj bonuses.

maybe I could delete highway between Praha and Benešov (the lie in the same Kraj so can assault each other without highway) and the same with highway between Bratislava and Trenčín.

waiting for opinions.

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You already have two legends including all the information I listed. Problem is it is just in there but not organized/categorized. So you can do it just need to move some from here to there.

As far as the explanation for the capital then I would say Capitals are not part of any Kraj or Town Bonus instead of that they are not part of towns bonus
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Oneyed on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:47 pm

what about this?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Jippd on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:42 am

Just minor notes but bottom left box:

Would put:

+4 for every 2 Kraj in the Czech Republic (CR)
+2 for each Kraj in the Slovak Republic (SR)
+1 for every 3 towns
Praha - Doubles the town bonus for towns in the CR
-1 for every Kraj in the SR
Bratislava - Doubles the town bonus for towns in the SR
-2 for every Kraj in the CR


Also try to make sure the lines are evenly space in the boxes. Looks like they are not are they separate text boxes you are dragging and dropping? Maybe it would be better to make it all in one text box so it evenly spaces.




I also think you should add a "the" after "independent states" in the bottom right map note. So it reads:

On January 1st, 1993 the SCFR was divided into two independent states, the Czech Republic and Slovak Republic



For the top right box:

Underneath the capitals change "is not part of Towns bonus and Kraj bonus"
to

"Not part of any town or Kraj bonus"

because I think it flows smoother.


just my .02

Otherwise looks good

One question on the town bonus...if I hold two towns in the CR and one in the SR does that qualify me for the +1 towns bonus or do they all need to be in the same are (3 in CR or 3 in SR)
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Oneyed on Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:20 am

Jippd wrote:Also try to make sure the lines are evenly space in the boxes. Looks like they are not are they separate text boxes you are dragging and dropping? Maybe it would be better to make it all in one text box so it evenly spaces.


ok. it is not possible to do text in one text box - too little space, but I will layout them better.
Jippd wrote:For the top right box:

Underneath the capitals change "is not part of Towns bonus and Kraj bonus"
to

"Not part of any town or Kraj bonus"

because I think it flows smoother.


hm, "Not part of any town or Kraj bonus" is not the true exactly. capitals double Towns bonus. so could be said that they are part of any bonus related to towns...?
Jippd wrote:just my .02


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Jippd wrote:One question on the town bonus...if I hold two towns in the CR and one in the SR does that qualify me for the +1 towns bonus or do they all need to be in the same are (3 in CR or 3 in SR)


if you hold 2 towns in Czech republic and 1 town in Slovak republic you will gain +1, if you hold Praha and 3 towns in Czech republic you will gain +2 (the same with Bratislava for Slovak republic).

I have also one question on you :) : what about deleting the highway between towns which are in the same Kraj - is highway here needed, because towns inside Kraj could assault each other...

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Oneyed on Sun Feb 19, 2012 2:56 am

edited text a little, better deployed text.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Jippd on Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:10 am

I don't think the highway is needed but i think keeping the continuity would be more aesthetically pleasing then removing the highway.

How about changing it to
"Not part of Towns or Kraj Bonus"

Also maybe try shrinking the symbols in the key so they are a bit smaller then the symbol on the map it might be more aesthetically pleasing I think.

Gameplay question:

If I hold Kladno Tabor and Presov (Two CR one SR) I have a town bonus. But if I then take Praha I do not get the double town bonus since only two of my three towns are in CR right?

If so maybe better to describe the Capital bonus as:

Praha:
+1 for every 3 towns in the CR
-1 for every Kraj in the SR

Bratislava:
+1 for every 3 towns in the SR
-2 for every 2 Kraj's in the CR



Also this would be harder but would make the map cooler....just increase the size a little bit so it is not so cramped. Instead of putting the keys outlined with a box make a new image of another "map/wrinkled up paper with the text writing on it...then overlay it on top so it is the map on the bottom with two similar old looking papers on the top right and bottom left corner overlaying part of it with the keys but makes it look more authentic ( if that makes sense )


Another minor note but there are breaks between the territory borders on the interior of the map...can you draw these in to be a solid line instead of dashed in places? Unless you can carry the grid lines into the text boxes some how? Maybe that might make it look better to. Because as is the text boxes do not have the map "grid lines"

Also possibly defining the border between CR and SR might make the difference between the areas seem more important and may just make it more noticeable as well. Though I feel it is obvious already the map is about the one side vs the other, and as is it seems they are happy being one.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - another background, lets choose

Postby Oneyed on Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:15 am

Jippd wrote:I don't think the highway is needed but i think keeping the continuity would be more aesthetically pleasing then removing the highway.


we have the same opinion here :)
Jippd wrote:How about changing it to
"Not part of Towns or Kraj Bonus"


ok.
Jippd wrote:Also maybe try shrinking the symbols in the key so they are a bit smaller then the symbol on the map it might be more aesthetically pleasing I think.


ok.
Jippd wrote:Gameplay question:

If I hold Kladno Tabor and Presnov (Two CR one SR) I have a town bonus. But if I then take Praha I do not get the double town bonus since only two of my three towns are in CR right?


exactly :)
Jippd wrote:If so maybe better to describe the Capital bonus as:

Praha:
+1 for every 3 towns in the CR
-1 for every Kraj in the SR

Bratislava:
+1 for every 3 towns in the SR
-2 for every 2 Kraj in the CR


sounds good to me.

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