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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby natty dread on Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:44 pm

The map features are a nice touch, however the background still looks blurry for some reason...
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby Jippd on Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:40 pm

Looks good. But why is Towns capitalized someplaces and not others. I only think you should capitalize it if it is a proper noun (person, place or thing) same with Kraj. If Kraj is a foreign word for town it should only be capitalized at the start of the sentence.


Also "+2 for each 2 Kraj'"sounds funny. Probably just translation issues but "+2 for every 2 Kraj's" sounds better IMO.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby Oneyed on Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:07 pm

natty, I can not find good texture. do you know any magic how to do this texture less blurry? or no blurry?


Jippd wrote:Looks good.


thanks. better as previous version? I want to go with this newest version...
Jippd wrote:But why is Towns capitalized someplaces and not others. I only think you should capitalize it if it is a proper noun (person, place or thing) same with Kraj.


there is no more things which would be capitalized. except Kraj. or?
Jippd wrote:If Kraj is a foreign word for town it should only be capitalized at the start of the sentence.


Kraj is name for region (something as County).
Jippd wrote:Also "+2 for each 2 Kraj'"sounds funny. Probably just translation issues but "+2 for every 2 Kraj's" sounds better IMO.


I was a little afraid how Krajs will sounds. it is not english word, therefore I did not it capitalized...

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby natty dread on Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:33 pm

Oneyed wrote:natty, I can not find good texture. do you know any magic how to do this texture less blurry? or no blurry?



Magicks? Well, you could start by sacrificing a goat... ;)

I don't know if you should try to fix it though. It'd be better to find a new one that's sharper, there's lots of free textures online... try googling for "free paper textures", just make sure the site you download from allows use of their textures for all purposes.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby Oneyed on Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:44 pm

natty dread wrote:Magicks? Well, you could start by sacrificing a goat... ;)


did not help lol...

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby tokle on Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:58 pm

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Jippd wrote:If Kraj is a foreign word for town it should only be capitalized at the start of the sentence.


Kraj is name for region (something as County).
Jippd wrote:Also "+2 for each 2 Kraj'"sounds funny. Probably just translation issues but "+2 for every 2 Kraj's" sounds better IMO.


I was a little afraid how Krajs will sounds. it is not english word, therefore I did not it capitalized...

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Neither town nor kraj should be capitalized, unless the word is at the beginning of a sentence.

The Slovak plural for "kraj" is "kraje", am I right? You could use that. Using the English pluralisation on a foreign word looks wrong to me.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby chapcrap on Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:39 pm

The words in the two keys are difficult to read because of the map background behind them.

Also, it would be a nice touch to add the longitude/latitude numbers to the background.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby tokle on Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:03 pm

chapcrap wrote:The words in the two keys are difficult to read because of the map background behind them.

Also, it would be a nice touch to add the longitude/latitude numbers to the background.

You could add some kind of outline, glow or shadow to the letters. That would make them easier to read.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby Flapcake on Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:20 pm

I like it.

comment more later ;)
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby Oneyed on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:53 pm

new version with another background, some graphic changes, added longitude and latitude numbers, changed plural of Kraj from Krajs to Kraje (which is correct in Slovak and in Czech languages).

about difficult reading of names, is it realy so bad? if yes I can add more opacity to names, but any outer glow or shadows will not fit with map style, I think...

thanks to everybody for inputs, comments and help. looking forward to next ones :)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:21 pm

Is it my eyes, or does this post: viewtopic.php?f=583&t=162795&start=90#p3608407

And this one: viewtopic.php?f=583&t=162795&start=90#p3606970

Appear to be darker / lighter? I like the lighter (second) one. If it is my eyes, I'll get them checked out when I go in a couple of weeks. :)


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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby Oneyed on Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:39 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Is it my eyes, or does this post: viewtopic.php?f=583&t=162795&start=90#p3608407

And this one: viewtopic.php?f=583&t=162795&start=90#p3606970

Appear to be darker / lighter? I like the lighter (second) one. If it is my eyes, I'll get them checked out when I go in a couple of weeks. :)


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these are two diffirent backgrounds. I also like the second one (lighter).

so everything is fine with your eyes :D

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby chapcrap on Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:00 pm

Oneyed wrote:new version with another background, some graphic changes, added longitude and latitude numbers, changed plural of Kraj from Krajs to Kraje (which is correct in Slovak and in Czech languages).

Awesome.
Oneyed wrote:about difficult reading of names, is it realy so bad? if yes I can add more opacity to names, but any outer glow or shadows will not fit with map style, I think...

It's not the names. It is the instruction located in the keys with the map as the background. It's hard to read because the background changes so much.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby Jippd on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:48 am

Oneyed wrote:about difficult reading of names, is it realy so bad? if yes I can add more opacity to names, but any outer glow or shadows will not fit with map style, I think...

It's not the names. It is the instruction located in the keys with the map as the background. It's hard to read because the background changes so much.[/quote]

I think making those background maps (the maps of NR and SR in the respective boxes) more transparent might solve this problem?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - totaly new REAL MAP

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 22, 2012 12:58 am

chapcrap wrote:Awesome.


thanks :)
chapcrap wrote:It's not the names. It is the instruction located in the keys with the map as the background. It's hard to read because the background changes so much.


Jippd wrote:I think making those background maps (the maps of NR and SR in the respective boxes) more transparent might solve this problem?


here you go guys. the maps in legends gone more transparent.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby chapcrap on Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:13 pm

That is a little bit better. It could probably still be improved.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby Jippd on Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:59 pm

Couple grammar erros still. Kraj should not be capitalized unless it is the beginning of a sentence, nor should town or towns.
(Is kraj normally capitalized everywhere in the native language?)

It should not be "+2 for each 2 kraje" it should be "+2 for EVERY two kraje" (every not each)

Highway description (should say "connects towns and capitals" not "connect" and lowercase town)

Also you use kraje in some places and Kraj's in other. If indeed kraje is the plural of kraj you should use kraje everywhere.

Can you make the town names more bold? Not a big deal but for example Hradec Kralove I find a bit difficult to read. Perhaps a bold font or bigger font would solve this?

Also maybe the town symbols inside the kraje are too big? I feel like it is slightly confusing and bunched up in some areas with groupings of labels.
ie (Stck and Praha) and some other areas. Maybe you can use a different font/different size/different color to differentiate the three letter Kraj names from town names. Or making the town symbols smaller allowing more room for better spacing might solve this as well.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:14 pm

Jippd wrote:Couple grammar erros still. Kraj should not be capitalized unless it is the beginning of a sentence, nor should town or towns.


ok.
Jippd wrote:(Is kraj normally capitalized everywhere in the native language?)


no. it is not.
Jippd wrote:It should not be "+2 for each 2 kraje" it should be "+2 for EVERY two kraje" (every not each)


ok.
Jippd wrote:Highway description (should say "connects towns and capitals" not "connect" and lowercase town)


ok.
Jippd wrote:Also you use kraje in some places and Kraj's in other. If indeed kraje is the plural of kraj you should use kraje everywhere.


Kraj´s - I mean it as its bonus... example: Peter has ball, so Peter´s ball. still wrong? :)
Jippd wrote:Can you make the town names more bold? Not a big deal but for example Hradec Kralove I find a bit difficult to read. Perhaps a bold font or bigger font would solve this?


more opacity could also helps. there is few space for bigger font, I am afraid.
Jippd wrote:Also maybe the town symbols inside the kraje are too big? I feel like it is slightly confusing and bunched up in some areas with groupings of labels.
ie (Stck and Praha) and some other areas. Maybe you can use a different font/different size/different color to differentiate the three letter Kraj names from town names.


the three letters for kraj are big. and I think only Praha/StCK looks as problem. or?
Jippd wrote:Or making the town symbols smaller allowing more room for better spacing might solve this as well.


do not forget that town symbols must be 22x22 (in small verison) for numbers.

against big thanks for you help :)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby Jippd on Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:35 pm

Agree fix Praha/StCK and rest are good probably with the clutter issue. (Maybe change Praha to white font and place over the capital symbol? Or is the capital symbol where the troops are gonna be?) Or maybe these don't even need to be labeled on the map since you label them on the outside part? But people might be confused if it is not labeled, but if it is too cluttered there can be confusion as well

As far as the possessive S Under the capital bonus description...I'm not 100% sure so maybe someone else knows but the bonus does not belong to town. Town is merely the label for the bonus.

I really think that should read "Not part of town or kraj bonus" or "Not part of Town or Kraj bonus" (if you go with my other suggestion below)

Saying "Not part of town or kraj bonus" refers to the town and kraj bonus which you defined Kraj above it and Town in the bottom right corner box.

Also I was thinking about the Town/Kraj capitalization and maybe you should capitalize and bold these in the instructions so they stand out and are easier to see/notice? And if you do that maybe capitalize/bold Capital too since you are using it as a label for this map

BTW good work it's coming along nice

Also for the capital bonus is it +1 for 3 towns in the same SR/CR or +1 for every 3 towns in the same SR/CR...example I hold SR capital and 6 towns in SR do I get +1 or +2
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby tokle on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:30 pm

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Jippd wrote:It should not be "+2 for each 2 kraje" it should be "+2 for EVERY two kraje" (every not each)


ok.

I don't agree. I think the word "each" is better suited in this situation. Though the difference is slight, I would have used "each" myself.

Jippd wrote:As far as the possessive S Under the capital bonus description...I'm not 100% sure so maybe someone else knows but the bonus does not belong to town. Town is merely the label for the bonus.

I agree with this. The "'s" is out of place.

I don't think you should go with the capitalisation idea. I think it looks wrong.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:38 pm

Jippd wrote:Agree fix Praha/StCK and rest are good probably with the clutter issue. (Maybe change Praha to white font and place over the capital symbol? Or is the capital symbol where the troops are gonna be?) Or maybe these don't even need to be labeled on the map since you label them on the outside part? But people might be confused if it is not labeled, but if it is too cluttered there can be confusion as well


yes, the numbers will be in capital symbol. I think now it is fine, it is not needed to do Praha and Bratislave white - they are mentioned as capitals in legends.
Jippd wrote:As far as the possessive S Under the capital bonus description...I'm not 100% sure so maybe someone else knows but the bonus does not belong to town. Town is merely the label for the bonus.

I really think that should read "Not part of town or kraj bonus" or "Not part of Town or Kraj bonus" (if you go with my other suggestion below)

Saying "Not part of town or kraj bonus" refers to the town and kraj bonus which you defined Kraj above it and Town in the bottom right corner box.


Also I was thinking about the Town/Kraj capitalization and maybe you should capitalize and bold these in the instructions so they stand out and are easier to see/notice? And if you do that maybe capitalize/bold Capital too since you are using it as a label for this map[/quote]

ok. forgot ´s thing. and I did "kraj", "town", "capital" only bold in legend. without capitalization - these are not names, only Praha and Bratislava are names so could be capital.
Jippd wrote:BTW good work it's coming along nice


thanks. also with your help. btw, I added you to map ;)
Jippd wrote:Also for the capital bonus is it +1 for 3 towns in the same SR/CR or +1 for every 3 towns in the same SR/CR...example I hold SR capital and 6 towns in SR do I get +1 or +2


when you have Bratislava and 6 towns in SR you get +2. I changed +1 for 3 towns to +1 for every 3 towns. what about with +1 for any 4. will be better +1 for every any 4?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:44 pm

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Jippd wrote:It should not be "+2 for each 2 kraje" it should be "+2 for EVERY two kraje" (every not each)


ok.

I don't agree. I think the word "each" is better suited in this situation. Though the difference is slight, I would have used "each" myself.


oh, come on guys. do any agreement and do not confuse me :lol:

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby tokle on Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:10 pm

It's looking better.

However, the sentence "kraj, colored region and 2 towns inside," I would change to read something like "Kraj = coloured region + 2 towns". Or something more like that. In this case kraj is the first word in the sentence so it should be capitalized. And I would want you to spell coloured properly, though I think our American friends would object to that. ;)

You should leave out the commas altogether, I think.

With the two capitals, I don't think you need to say that they are capitals, do you? It could read: "Praha - not part of town or kraj bonus". Where the name Praha (or Bratislava) should be bolded.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby Oneyed on Wed Feb 22, 2012 5:50 pm

tokle wrote:It's looking better.

However, the sentence "kraj, colored region and 2 towns inside," I would change to read something like "Kraj = coloured region + 2 towns". Or something more like that. In this case kraj is the first word in the sentence so it should be capitalized.


please, think about "sentences" in legends more as about notices in legend. no ones ends with dot. therefore I can not use Kraj/Town, just kraj/town.
tokle wrote:And I would want you to spell coloured properly, though I think our American friends would object to that. ;)


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tokle wrote:You should leave out the commas altogether, I think.

With the two capitals, I don't think you need to say that they are capitals, do you? It could read: "Praha - not part of town or kraj bonus". Where the name Praha (or Bratislava) should be bolded.


I think it is needed to say capital. at the first, they are capitals. at the second, in each map is capital mentioned. at the third, no everybody knows that they are capitals so it will be more clear for players why holding specially Praha/Bratislava gives them bonus.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR - stamp?

Postby tokle on Wed Feb 22, 2012 7:11 pm

Oneyed wrote:
tokle wrote:You should leave out the commas altogether, I think.

With the two capitals, I don't think you need to say that they are capitals, do you? It could read: "Praha - not part of town or kraj bonus". Where the name Praha (or Bratislava) should be bolded.


I think it is needed to say capital. at the first, they are capitals. at the second, in each map is capital mentioned. at the third, no everybody knows that they are capitals so it will be more clear for players why holding specially Praha/Bratislava gives them bonus.

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I disagree. Since you are not using the word capitals anywhere else, there is no need to label the two cities at all. It is obvious from the graphics that they are special, because they stand out. And the bonuses are written by the name in the legend, so there is no need to explain it further.
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