Magyarország [Quenched]

Care to peruse completed maps? Take a stroll through the Atlas.

Moderators: Cartographers, Global Moderators

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: Magyarország [2/6] V13 PG 1/7

Postby iancanton on Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:15 pm

After World War One, Europe lies in ruins is better than After World War one, Europe lay in ruin because the rest of the story is in the present tense. After the Great War of 1914-18, Europe lies in ruins is also possible because, before World War Two, this conflict wasn't actually called World War One.

Holding any two Saved land bonuses will double these bonuses, but it's unclear whether these bonuses are the Saved Land or Consolidated bonuses. Also, Saved Land, not Saved land.

on the unplayable land, u've misspelled Slovenes as Slovines.

english-language maps of the period (and those of up to fifty years afterward) tended to spell Romania as Rumania. however, since the romanians themselves always used Romania on their stamps, this is perfectly good for our purposes.

ian. :)
Image
User avatar
Brigadier iancanton
Cartography Assistant
Cartography Assistant
 
Posts: 1708
Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:40 am
Location: europe
Medals: 51
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (1)
Freestyle Achievement (2) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) General Achievement (4) Clan Achievement (7) General Contribution (13)

Re: Magyarország [2/6] V13 PG 1/7

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:07 pm

Hungarian text fixed.
Story fixed.
Austria is slightly bigger so as to fit army numbers.
Ribbon land border in Hungarian colours.
Changed wording for the consolidated bonus part of legend.
Added small map.
Click image to enlarge.
image

Click image to enlarge.
image
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [2/6] V13 PG 1/7

Postby iancanton on Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:44 am

bonus wordings are good now.

iancanton wrote:Also, Saved Land, not Saved land.

perhaps we'd better revert from Saved Land to Saved land because u have Shattered land and Consolidated land almost everywhere else in the legend (apart from the titles). on the large map only, change shattered land to Shattered land.

are u able to tone down the white of the perimeter ribbon, so that it doesn't catch the eye so much?

ian. :)
Image
User avatar
Brigadier iancanton
Cartography Assistant
Cartography Assistant
 
Posts: 1708
Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:40 am
Location: europe
Medals: 51
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (1)
Freestyle Achievement (2) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) General Achievement (4) Clan Achievement (7) General Contribution (13)

Re: Magyarország [11/6] PG 1/7

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:28 am

Wording fixed.
Toned down the white in the ribbon.
Image with 88s and CB tests now in first post.
Click image to enlarge.
image

Click image to enlarge.
image
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [11/6] PG 1/7

Postby iancanton on Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:04 pm

i think only the bridges look a bit out of place now. while we wait for a graphics CA to comment further, can u update the gameplay notes in the first post to list the amended starting neutral regions and delete the start positions? the other change is that games with 2 or 3 players will start with 14 regions each instead of 15.

ian. :)
Image
User avatar
Brigadier iancanton
Cartography Assistant
Cartography Assistant
 
Posts: 1708
Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:40 am
Location: europe
Medals: 51
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (1)
Freestyle Achievement (2) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) General Achievement (4) Clan Achievement (7) General Contribution (13)

Re: Magyarország [11/6] PG 1/7

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:48 pm

Done for you.

What is it about the bridges that you dislike?
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [11/6] PG 1/7

Postby Jatekos on Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:12 pm

On page 5, you were experimenting with darker text boxes. I think that (or something similar) would fit more with the other colours of the map. At the moment, the legend at the bottom stands out and seems to be too much in the focus, because of the light brown colour used for the boxes.

Yes, the white shapes would be more noticeable with the darker text boxes, but e.g. they could be light brown instead, like the boxes are now.

I would also suggest not using these soldier and cannon shapes at those specific areas where there is also another image (You could delete them from the "legend key" section, or keep only one of the 3 and move it behind the text in the bottom right of that box. At the "Shattered land bonus" box, you could move these 3 images closer to each other and move them to the right a bit, so that the soldier on the left would get next to the images of the zones, instead of behind them.)
Captain Jatekos
 
Posts: 185
Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2008 6:47 pm
Medals: 22
Standard Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (1)
Speed Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1) Bot Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (1)
General Achievement (4)

Re: Magyarország [11/6] PG 1/7

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:00 pm

Jatekos wrote:On page 5, you were experimenting with darker text boxes. I think that (or something similar) would fit more with the other colours of the map. At the moment, the legend at the bottom stands out and seems to be too much in the focus, because of the light brown colour used for the boxes.

Done

Yes, the white shapes would be more noticeable with the darker text boxes, but e.g. they could be light brown instead, like the boxes are now.

Adjusted.

I would also suggest not using these soldier and cannon shapes at those specific areas where there is also another image (You could delete them from the "legend key" section, or keep only one of the 3 and move it behind the text in the bottom right of that box. At the "Shattered land bonus" box, you could move these 3 images closer to each other and move them to the right a bit, so that the soldier on the left would get next to the images of the zones, instead of behind them.)

They are spaced in such a way as they would on playing cards. Left them where they are.
Click image to enlarge.
image

Click image to enlarge.
image
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [2/6] V13 PG 1/7

Postby tokle on Sat Jun 16, 2012 10:53 am

iancanton wrote:before World War Two, this conflict wasn't actually called World War One.

This is not true. It might be a bit pedantic of me, but the term "first world war" was used by historians since as early as 1914.

Some notes about the text:
The white text on the white background is difficult to read.

You are using the word "nationals" in the wrong sense. "Nationals" means a citizen of a nation-state. What you mean to say is "ethnic Hungarians".
I don't know what you mean by saying they were "displaced", though. There weren't any major population movements in these teritories after this.
User avatar
Major tokle
 
Posts: 2911
Joined: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:11 am
Medals: 155
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (1) Bot Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (29)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (45) Challenge Achievement (2) Tournament Contribution (32) General Contribution (2)

Re: Magyarország [2/6] V13 PG 1/7

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 11:02 am

tokle wrote:
iancanton wrote:before World War Two, this conflict wasn't actually called World War One.

This is not true. It might be a bit pedantic of me, but the term "first world war" was used by historians since as early as 1914.

Correct, pedantic but correct but lets all get along and agree that war and world where used.

Some notes about the text:
The white text on the white background is difficult to read.

Not important to GP, and it is readable. Gong to keep it as it. Any lighter and it will take over the board. Any darker and it will not be easy to read in the green.

You are using the word "nationals" in the wrong sense. "Nationals" means a citizen of a nation-state. What you mean to say is "ethnic Hungarians".
I don't know what you mean by saying they were "displaced", though. There weren't any major population movements in these teritories after this.

Hungarian national as the Kingdom of Hungary was a nation state. They became ethnic Hungarians after the treaty. Displaced in the sense that these people went to bed living in Hungary and woke up living in other countries, this is an over simplification of it. It may not be the same as forcing someone out of there home but it is correct.
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [2/6] V13 PG 1/7

Postby tokle on Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:50 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
You are using the word "nationals" in the wrong sense. "Nationals" means a citizen of a nation-state. What you mean to say is "ethnic Hungarians".
I don't know what you mean by saying they were "displaced", though. There weren't any major population movements in these teritories after this.

Hungarian national as the Kingdom of Hungary was a nation state. They became ethnic Hungarians after the treaty. Displaced in the sense that these people went to bed living in Hungary and woke up living in other countries, this is an over simplification of it. It may not be the same as forcing someone out of there home but it is correct.

No, that is not correct. The word "displaced" doesn't hold that meaning in English, so the sentence you have written doesn't have the meaning you want it to.

This Hungary was not a nation-state. And if it were, then the usage of the term "Hungarian nationals" would have had to be used for all the subjects of the Hungarian crown, not just ethnic Hungarians.

The word "annexed" is misused too, maybe "occupied" would be better.
User avatar
Major tokle
 
Posts: 2911
Joined: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:11 am
Medals: 155
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (1) Bot Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (29)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (45) Challenge Achievement (2) Tournament Contribution (32) General Contribution (2)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:00 am

Displace, means to move from one position, to take the place, or to remove from the usual or correct place. So why is it incorrect in this sense? These people where not force ably removed from their homes, but they where removed from their country. Therefore, they where displaced.
Annexed was chosen over occupied so as not to inflame national sensibilities. Only 3 of the surrounding countries occupied with force, and one of those did it peacefully. To use the term occupied suggests that they all came in with guns blazing. So, with Italy having Fiume, where the Italians where the majority, it was just a natural shift from one state to another and was a natural process for that city.
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby tokle on Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:02 am

koontz1973 wrote:Displace, means to move from one position, to take the place, or to remove from the usual or correct place. So why is it incorrect in this sense? These people where not force ably removed from their homes, but they where removed from their country. Therefore, they where displaced.
Annexed was chosen over occupied so as not to inflame national sensibilities. Only 3 of the surrounding countries occupied with force, and one of those did it peacefully. To use the term occupied suggests that they all came in with guns blazing. So, with Italy having Fiume, where the Italians where the majority, it was just a natural shift from one state to another and was a natural process for that city.

They did come in with guns blazing. That is what a war is. This one was even called a Great War.
I know what you mean about "occupied", but in that sentence it is still better than "annexed". These territories weren't annexed into the neighbouring countries until after this treaty. And with Czechoslovakia there was no annexation going on at all.
How about saying "The remaining land is given to the victors."?

If you are looking to not inflame national sensibilities, I would suggest to leave out the part about "displacing Hungarian nationals" altogether. Make the map about land only. The premise would be that Hungary has lost all this land to its neighbouring countries, and now it's time for you to win them back.
User avatar
Major tokle
 
Posts: 2911
Joined: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:11 am
Medals: 155
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (1) Bot Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (29)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (45) Challenge Achievement (2) Tournament Contribution (32) General Contribution (2)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:44 am

The remaining land is given to the victors.

To inflammatory. Already had it on a previous version. If I remember, it might of been on the first version.
I would suggest to leave out the part about "
displacing Hungarian nationals
" altogether. Make the map about land only. The premise would be that Hungary has lost all this land to its neighbouring countries, and now it's time for you to win them back.

That I can do. On the rest, give me something to put on. As of now, I am more than happy with the wording. It is correct (important) and it fits the space (very important). It does not inflame (extremely important), or cause problems when we get to beta like Rorke's Drift did (this is so important, I will not even try to measure how important it is). ;)

I have no trouble getting your suggested words on, but give me something that works with all of the criteria in this order(fits, not inflammatory, correct).
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby Oneyed on Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:16 pm

I am glad that you will change some things/words in story, koontz.

you are from Britain (as you said), so maybe you can not right understand why I had so much notices against story as it was. unfortunately my English is poor to explain everything correct. by changing some words the story will become from a little neofascist theory to historic objectivity.

good luck with these changes :)

Oneyed
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Oneyed
 
Posts: 865
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:29 pm
Medals: 11
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (2)
Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:21 pm

I agreed to change the wording if anyone can come up with something. As I stated to tokle, the wording is correct,

After the great war of 1914-18, Europe lies in ruins. As a result of the treaty of Trianon, the kingdom of Hungary is reduced to 28% of its pre war size.

This part of the story is correct, and will not change.
The annexed lands are given to the victors, displacing more than 3 million Hungarian nationals. Win them back.

The only thing that seems to be causing contention here are the words annexed and displacing.
The original wording had occupied instead of annexed. This word is far more contentious, and also wrong. Fiume was was fought over by the Italians and the KoSCS. The Austrian part was given but it was never occupied. And in the end, some of these regions wanted to return to Hungary and did so peaceably.
Displacing, even though it is not the same as what we consider it to be today, it is correct.
Hungarian national. As we spoke before on this, the Hungarian national in the border regions where people of Hungarian nationality. In places they where the majority, in others they where not.

Will change the wording for the second part if some one comes up with a better wording. If not, it will stay the same.
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby Oneyed on Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:42 am

using "displacing" here is mistake. the Hungars were lived in lands which become new states were not displaced. they had possibility to choose - stay there or go to Hungary.
"displacing" means what was happen to Germans from Sudetes after WW II, for example...

and one notice to "win back annexed lands". this is just map/game, but from where the f*ck Hungars have demand on these lands? all nations (and lands) which were later annexed to Hungarian Empire lived here before arrival of Hungars.

Oneyed
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Oneyed
 
Posts: 865
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:29 pm
Medals: 11
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (2)
Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:19 am

Oneyed wrote:using "displacing" here is mistake. the Hungars were lived in lands which become new states were not displaced. they had possibility to choose - stay there or go to Hungary.
"displacing" means what was happen to Germans from Sudetes after WW II, for example...

and one notice to "win back annexed lands". this is just map/game, but from where the f*ck Hungars have demand on these lands? all nations (and lands) which were later annexed to Hungarian Empire lived here before arrival of Hungars.

Oneyed


As you say, it is just a game and that is the premise that this one is based on. It has got nothing to do with real life.
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby tokle on Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:06 am

koontz1973 wrote:I agreed to change the wording if anyone can come up with something. As I stated to tokle, the wording is correct,

After the great war of 1914-18, Europe lies in ruins. As a result of the treaty of Trianon, the kingdom of Hungary is reduced to 28% of its pre war size.

This part of the story is correct, and will not change.
The annexed lands are given to the victors, displacing more than 3 million Hungarian nationals. Win them back.

The only thing that seems to be causing contention here are the words annexed and displacing.
The original wording had occupied instead of annexed. This word is far more contentious, and also wrong. Fiume was was fought over by the Italians and the KoSCS. The Austrian part was given but it was never occupied. And in the end, some of these regions wanted to return to Hungary and did so peaceably.
Displacing, even though it is not the same as what we consider it to be today, it is correct.
Hungarian national. As we spoke before on this, the Hungarian national in the border regions where people of Hungarian nationality. In places they where the majority, in others they where not.

Will change the wording for the second part if some one comes up with a better wording. If not, it will stay the same.


How about "Win back the lost lands."
Without any of the other back-story?

I think you have a misunderstanding of some of the words you are using. The words "national, nationals and nationality" relate to a nation-state, not a nation. There is a huge difference. Those words are technical terms for a subject of a state. They don't describe a member of an ethnical group.
So, even if someone today is a member of the Hungarian minority, in Romania or Slovakia or Serbia or elsewhere, they are not Hungarian nationals, they are nationals of the country they are citizens of.
User avatar
Major tokle
 
Posts: 2911
Joined: Tue Mar 17, 2009 11:11 am
Medals: 155
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (1) Bot Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (29)
General Achievement (2) Clan Achievement (45) Challenge Achievement (2) Tournament Contribution (32) General Contribution (2)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:22 am

How about this then?

After the great war of 1914-18, Europe lies in ruins. As a result of the treaty of Trianon, the kingdom of Hungary is reduced to 28% of its pre war size. The land is given to the victors, displacing more than 3 million ethnic Hungarians. ________________

Win back the lost lands

This seems very Disney Lost World to me ;) But now I think we are heading for agreement. Something like that in the end but what or nothing at all?
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby Oneyed on Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:51 am

it seems that you still use "displacing" for ethnic Hungars which lived outside Hungary. but again, this is out of reality. they were not displacing.
your story with displacing sounds as enormia for Hungars, but it is paradox that many of these Hungars were sent there for magyarization minor nations in Hungarian Empire.

Oneyed
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Oneyed
 
Posts: 865
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:29 pm
Medals: 11
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (2)
Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby nolefan5311 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:32 am

This seems a silly thing to argue over. What about this:

"After the Great War, Europe lies in ruins. As a result of the Treaty of Trianon, the Kingdom of Hungary is reduced to 28% of it's pre-war size. More than 3 million ethnic Hungarians awake to find themselves citizens of a new country. Unite them once again."

It's not particularly eloquent but, as far as I can tell, it's neutral as far as offending anybody.
Image
User avatar
Major nolefan5311
 
Posts: 1646
Joined: Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:51 am
Location: Florida
Medals: 116
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (4) Triples Achievement (3) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Polymorphic Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2)
Fog of War Achievement (4) Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (3)
Cross-Map Achievement (4) Beta Map Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (30) General Achievement (5)
Clan Achievement (13) Challenge Achievement (1) Map Contribution (4) Tournament Contribution (13) General Contribution (4)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:11 am

nolefan5311 wrote:This seems a silly thing to argue over. What about this:

"After the Great War, Europe lies in ruins. As a result of the Treaty of Trianon, the Kingdom of Hungary is reduced to 28% of it's pre-war size. More than 3 million ethnic Hungarians awake to find themselves citizens of a new country. Unite them once again."

It's not particularly eloquent but, as far as I can tell, it's neutral as far as offending anybody.

I like it. Neutral, fits the space and should not piss anyone off. If everyone else (tokle and oneyed) agreed, it will go on today.

And nothing is silly. Took a battering over RD with some wording.
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby Oneyed on Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:14 am

I do not see any "nation" or "people" on the map. so why is so needed to mention any ethnic? on the map, players will fight for land (regions), so why not only use something as "unite lost countries again" or "win lost land back"...?

Oneyed
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Oneyed
 
Posts: 865
Joined: Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:29 pm
Medals: 11
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (2)
Trench Warfare Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)

Re: Magyarország [15/6] PG 1/8

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:41 am

Oneyed wrote:I do not see any "nation" or "people" on the map. so why is so needed to mention any ethnic? on the map, players will fight for land (regions), so why not only use something as "unite lost countries again" or "win lost land back"...?

Oneyed

Because it sounds like a disney film. All this is now is bloody semantics, I am never going to please everyone with this so went with noles suggested wording. Just added the dates in to fill the space better. As for the comment about no nations, 6 are on the map, and wars are fought by people. In this sense it was lots of little ones that took land from the Kingdom of Hungary, and which was ratified in the treaty. All the map does is place you in one position.
Click image to enlarge.
image

Click image to enlarge.
image
Sergeant 1st Class koontz1973
 
Posts: 7538
Joined: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:57 am
Medals: 117
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (1) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (4)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Beta Map Achievement (2)
Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (13) Clan Achievement (5) Map Contribution (12)
Tournament Contribution (31) General Contribution (10)

PreviousNext

Return to The Atlas

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Login