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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [4.6.12] V6-P3

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:08 am

koontz1973 wrote:
Just thought I would pop in and see. Here is a short list for you to look at but I am sure you already know these.
This is the area that I thought was great and needed copying all around.
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Yes, and i had already changed that in the Outer Khamovniki territory and asked for feedback a couple of posts back.


Still waiting for a reply from koontz1973 on this one :!:
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [4.6.12] V6-P3

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:15 am

Sounds like you got a little drunk for the end of exams! LOL. Congrats on being finished with them though.

I had a glass of organic wine, but since i am now a diabetic, my party drinking days are well over, so drunk...no...i didn't think i gave that impression or is that what you do for end of exams? Exams finished...well no...not quite...only for two weeks before i have two week block subject to do and then that exam, then three weeks after that start study period 2. :(
i'll look at your other stuff in the morning :)
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [4.6.12] V6-P3

Postby nolefan5311 on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:56 am

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Sounds like you got a little drunk for the end of exams! LOL. Congrats on being finished with them though.

I had a glass of organic wine, but since i am now a diabetic, my party drinking days are well over, so drunk...no...i didn't think i gave that impression or is that what you do for end of exams? Exams finished...well no...not quite...only for two weeks before i have two week block subject to do and then that exam, then three weeks after that start study period 2. :(
i'll look at your other stuff in the morning :)


Yes, that is what we did when the semester was over LOL. I know you Aussie's can drink with the best of them, so I thought maybe that was something done down under too :D. Didn't mean offense.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [4.6.12] V6-P3

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:58 am

nolefan5311 wrote:...
Yes, that is what we did when the semester was over LOL. I know you Aussie's can drink with the best of them, so I thought maybe that was something done down under too :D. Didn't mean offense.

Oh none taken :)
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [4.6.12] V6-P3

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:31 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:
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nolefan5311 wrote:Adding another neutral would solve the problem with the +3, but that's a lot of starting neutrals and could prohibit movement across the top of the map.

i agree, it prohibit movement


How do you want to go about changing this?

I could split Perevo into two to make another 4.

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nolefan5311 wrote:Also, now that you've added the connection from Khamovniki to Ochakovo, I think you can move the starting neutral to Gagarinski.

yes, that's a good idea, to leave Khamovniki with an army since he's got to conquer each side of him to get his bonus...he'll that fortification.


I'm still a little stumped on how to solve this problem. I think taking the neutral away from Khamovniki outer is a good idea, but you would need to place that neutral on Khamovniki inner, right?

yes, but i'm not in favour of that because it places too many neutrals in the inner circle.

...And I was more suggesting that the neutral be moved from Akademicheskiy to Gagarinksky,

that can be done


but there's still an issue of the being a pretty bad bottleneck down there. Perhaps you can drag Ochakovo all the way along the river so that it borders Yakamanka?

Last line...no. there is already cramped space down there and that would only add to doubt questions.
What about an impassable like the gold band...
jewellry uses small clasp-like hands to hold stones onto a base...the impassable could be something like the gold-band...which also means i could place an imassable between Pechatniki and Negatzinskiy Zaton...the two at the top would be there but not used as impassables.
...

cairnswk wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:Also, the border between K.I., and Kitaygorod is a little unclear.
Oh! i didn't think so, it simply means A.I. and P.I. don't border Kitaygorod.


Oops. I meant the other K.I. (Krasnoselskoe inner). But that is going to need to be changed on the map, lol...can't have two K.I.'s. If you mean for it to border Kitaygorod, I think you can just open the point of it up a little bit.

Oh OK, i can fix that. didn't even see it. :oops:
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [4.6.12] V6-P3

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:57 pm

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:47 pm

Ok, I reran the bonus spreadsheets and a couple of potential issues

The +2 in the 2 region bonus in the SW corner...adding that impassable between Gagarinsky and Ochakovo put the suggested decimal bonus down to 1.5, so 2 is a too high. So, I think you need to either remove that impassable (which messes with the whole 4 corner thing you have going on), or add an extra connection, maybe from Khamovniki to Gagarinsky. Also, if you look, Gagarinski is only attackable from one region, Akademichskiy, which starts as a neutral. That takes that territory out of play from the very beginning.

Additionally, the +2 for the 4 region bonus is also too high as the spreadsheet indicates this should be 1.75. Adding a bridge between Khoroshevo Mnevniki to FIlevskiy Park (which would allow you to make that +3 a +4, since it's 5 regions).

The only other issue I see is that both Khamovniki and Presnensoe border a ton of regions, and both start neutral. I think perhaps inversing the alternation of the neutrals across the inner/outer rings would be very beneficial (except for Zhamoskvorechye and Z.I.).

What do you think cairns?
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby tokle on Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:03 pm

Looks interesting, but I have a request;
The title; could you write it out properly, in Cyrillic?
Since it's already in Russian, and sort of semi-cyrillic letters, it wouldn't take much to it properly.
To those of us who understand it, it just looks horrible like that.
And to those of us who don't understand it, it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway, would it?

I understand the faux-cyrillic you are doing at the bottom, though, but not in the title line.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:20 pm

tokle wrote:Looks interesting, but I have a request;
The title; could you write it out properly, in Cyrillic?
Since it's already in Russian, and sort of semi-cyrillic letters, it wouldn't take much to it properly.
To those of us who understand it, it just looks horrible like that.
And to those of us who don't understand it, it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway, would it?

I understand the faux-cyrillic you are doing at the bottom, though, but not in the title line.


You want this...tokle?
москва-Сити
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:34 pm

Also, cairns, can you post in the thread or PM me what the continent names should be for the XML? As is, I have no idea, lol.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:36 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Also, cairns, can you post in the thread or PM me what the continent names should be for the XML? As is, I have no idea, lol.

Sure, but when the gameplay is sorted out, as we are still sorting continents and impassables. :)
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby tokle on Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:03 pm

cairnswk wrote:
tokle wrote:Looks interesting, but I have a request;
The title; could you write it out properly, in Cyrillic?
Since it's already in Russian, and sort of semi-cyrillic letters, it wouldn't take much to it properly.
To those of us who understand it, it just looks horrible like that.
And to those of us who don't understand it, it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway, would it?

I understand the faux-cyrillic you are doing at the bottom, though, but not in the title line.


You want this...tokle?
москва-Сити

thanks for taking me seriously.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:16 pm

cairnswk wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote:Also, cairns, can you post in the thread or PM me what the continent names should be for the XML? As is, I have no idea, lol.

Sure, but when the gameplay is sorted out, as we are still sorting continents and impassables. :)


Cool, thanks.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:32 pm

tokle wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
tokle wrote:Looks interesting, but I have a request;
The title; could you write it out properly, in Cyrillic?
Since it's already in Russian, and sort of semi-cyrillic letters, it wouldn't take much to it properly.
To those of us who understand it, it just looks horrible like that.
And to those of us who don't understand it, it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway, would it?

I understand the faux-cyrillic you are doing at the bottom, though, but not in the title line.


You want this...tokle?
москва-Сити

thanks for taking me seriously.

Sorry, but your answer tells me nothing...i cannot read yes or no from that.
If no, please put up what you want.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby tokle on Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:11 pm

cairnswk wrote:
tokle wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
tokle wrote:Looks interesting, but I have a request;
The title; could you write it out properly, in Cyrillic?
Since it's already in Russian, and sort of semi-cyrillic letters, it wouldn't take much to it properly.
To those of us who understand it, it just looks horrible like that.
And to those of us who don't understand it, it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway, would it?

I understand the faux-cyrillic you are doing at the bottom, though, but not in the title line.


You want this...tokle?
москва-Сити

thanks for taking me seriously.

Sorry, but your answer tells me nothing...i cannot read yes or no from that.
If no, please put up what you want.

How about just Mосква?
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 16, 2012 8:23 pm

tokle wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
tokle wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
tokle wrote:Looks interesting, but I have a request;
The title; could you write it out properly, in Cyrillic?
Since it's already in Russian, and sort of semi-cyrillic letters, it wouldn't take much to it properly.
To those of us who understand it, it just looks horrible like that.
And to those of us who don't understand it, it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway, would it?

I understand the faux-cyrillic you are doing at the bottom, though, but not in the title line.


You want this...tokle?
москва-Сити

thanks for taking me seriously.

Sorry, but your answer tells me nothing...i cannot read yes or no from that.
If no, please put up what you want.

How about just Mосква?

Deal !
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:05 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Also, cairns, can you post in the thread or PM me what the continent names should be for the XML? As is, I have no idea, lol.

Those are now on the front page nolefan5311 :)
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [4.6.12] V6-P3

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:09 pm

koontz1973 wrote:
Just thought I would pop in and see. Here is a short list for you to look at but I am sure you already know these.
This is the area that I thought was great and needed copying all around.
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Yes, and i had already changed that in the Outer Khamovniki territory and asked for feedback a couple of posts back.


Still waiting for a reply from koontz1973 on this one :!
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [16.6.12] V7-P4

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:31 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Ok, I reran the bonus spreadsheets and a couple of potential issues

The +2 in the 2 region bonus in the SW corner...adding that impassable between Gagarinsky and Ochakovo put the suggested decimal bonus down to 1.5, so 2 is a too high. So, I think you need to either remove that impassable (which messes with the whole 4 corner thing you have going on), or add an extra connection, maybe from Khamovniki to Gagarinsky. Also, if you look, Gagarinski is only attackable from one region, Akademichskiy, which starts as a neutral. That takes that territory out of play from the very beginning.


tbh...i wouldn't want to try to hold that territory without Akademicheskiy being a +2 since there are 3 borders on it's eastern boundary...even if the inner and outer neutrals are swapped. Having an impassable on its western back adds strength to it.
Since it's also the only 2 tert region on the outer-outer rim, it needs some strength to remain worthy of someone fighting over it.
Additionally, the +2 for the 4 region bonus is also too high as the spreadsheet indicates this should be 1.75. Adding a bridge between Khoroshevo Mnevniki to FIlevskiy Park (which would allow you to make that +3 a +4, since it's 5 regions).

Is not 1.75 close enough to 2 ?
As for turqouise, there are only three borders vacing assault, so i think that is fine with two of those assaulting territories being neutrals at start.

The only other issue I see is that both Khamovniki and Presnensoe border a ton of regions, and both start neutral. I think perhaps inversing the alternation of the neutrals across the inner/outer rings would be very beneficial (except for Zhamoskvorechye and Z.I.).

What do you think cairns?

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [23.6.12] V8-P5

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:43 pm

Version 8
1. title change to Mockba
2. Inner and outer neutrals swapped.

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [23.6.12] V8-P5

Postby Oneyed on Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:36 am

I notice that title Moskva is still not written right.

your "M" does not exist. and your "V" is russian "b".

try this: MockBa

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [23.6.12] V8-P5

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 23, 2012 7:44 am

Oneyed wrote:I notice that title Moskva is still not written right.

your "M" does not exist. and your "V" is russian "b".

try this: MockBa

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Oneyed...thanks for popping in...
it is actually written as Mockba but in the Kremlin Courier II Bold font. There is an M and a b.
The title has been changed from Moskva to Mockba.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [23.6.12] V8-P5

Postby Oneyed on Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:43 am

cairnswk wrote:it is actually written as Mockba but in the Kremlin Courier II Bold font. There is an M and a b.


just now I am looking at all Kremlin Courier II Bold and I must say it is far of Cyrilic.
cairnswk wrote:The title has been changed from Moskva to Mockba.


Cyrilic has another order as Kremlin, so you have written Moskda. in Cyrilic is order:
A, B, V, G, D... Kremlin has order A, B, C, D, E...

I will not "popping" you more if you say me that you do not care about Cyrilic and you want to write Moskva your way ;)
(but then you can write it in Chinese and say it is Cyrilic)...

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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [23.6.12] V8-P5

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:07 am

Oneyed wrote:
cairnswk wrote:it is actually written as Mockba but in the Kremlin Courier II Bold font. There is an M and a b.


just now I am looking at all Kremlin Courier II Bold and I must say it is far of Cyrilic.
cairnswk wrote:The title has been changed from Moskva to Mockba.


Cyrilic has another order as Kremlin, so you have written Moskda. in Cyrilic is order:
A, B, V, G, D... Kremlin has order A, B, C, D, E...

I will not "popping" you more if you say me that you do not care about Cyrilic and you want to write Moskva your way ;)
(but then you can write it in Chinese and say it is Cyrilic)...

Oneyed


Oneyed, i am surprised by this response, as I find it threatening to say the least.
Personally i don't bloody care if you don't want to offer anything if you are going to have an arrogant attitude, even if you are correct. Also, since you appear to be educated and writing in English, then please get the English correct.
"far of Cyrilic" should be "far off Cyrilic" or better still "far from Cyrillic" if you really want to be so pedantic. You also forgot the "be" in "i will not "popping" you more...this should be written as "i will not be "popping" you more...
It is not that i an unwilling to change it to want you want, i simply explained to you what i had done.
Now, moving forward, in the next version you will see it will be posted as MockBa :) or better still Моцкба (since that appears to be the correct Russian writing for the name)
And if you are not happy with this response then please do not come back into the thread and post...there are others who can and will fill your shoes.
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Re: CLASSIC CITIES: Moscow [23.6.12] V8-P5

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 10:00 am

We will go ahead and get this stickied for the stamp...have to take a look at it later, but it's close enough as is for the sticky.
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