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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:45 am

Thanks you boss for getting this sorted. OK guys, enjoy the map. I may even play a game on it.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:08 pm

Just started a game, positions are not as coded. The corners should only be given out at a max of 1 per player. nole started with 3 in this game. 12521728 What xml is being used.

found the problem and sent corrections to nole.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:49 pm

It'll be posted tonight.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby Armandolas on Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:23 pm

I think those slight changes made some difference in the end. The legend is more readable and the contrast in the Letters/numbers made the wall look nicer.
notices as well the entrances are a bit diff. I prefer the last ones, i just wish they could have a bit more depth down(like u did in prev.version) but i came too late,hehe
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:25 pm

Fixed version uploaded below:

- Fixed the starting position issue mentioned by koontz above
- Relocated the coordinates for Promotheus so the army numbers aren't sitting on top of his face.

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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby puppydog85 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:58 am

BTW,

Great map kootz! No problems that I can find right now.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:01 am

My first impressions are that the slave entrances autodeploying at +1, and the region bonus not kicking in until 15, is going to make for some very, very long games.

A couple suggestions:
- 1 troop for every 5 with a minimum deploy of 5 OR 1 troop for every 4 regions
- Increase the autodeploys on the slave entrances to at least 3

Those are just my initial impressions from a 1v1 game...koontz and I are in Round 8, and we both have less than 15 regions and less than 25 armies.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby ManBungalow on Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:44 am

koontz, the font you've used in the legend looks sort of iffy and I can't quite put my finger on why.

Have you used auto-hinter and anti-aliasing ?
Maybe you could change it from black to a really dark colour? (I don't think pure black ever looks good on a map)
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby puppydog85 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:25 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:My first impressions are that the slave entrances autodeploying at +1, and the region bonus not kicking in until 15, is going to make for some very, very long games.

A couple suggestions:
- 1 troop for every 5 with a minimum deploy of 5 OR 1 troop for every 4 regions
- Increase the autodeploys on the slave entrances to at least 3

Those are just my initial impressions from a 1v1 game...koontz and I are in Round 8, and we both have less than 15 regions and less than 25 armies.


Don't touch it! 1v1 is working great for me.

I like the low deploy because it give plenty of time for maneuver and strategy. You can do your own thing for a little bit without having to worry about an attack coming at you. A large initial deploy and there will be too many 2nd round strikes at people (imho)

Maybe an auto of 2 but I like the +1 and don't see reason to make the deploy massive. I don't really see much reason to move at all though ^^^ see above.

As for it taking too long? Try Hive and Conquer Man. It is just something you have to deal with.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby Gilligan on Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:12 pm

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nolefan5311 wrote:My first impressions are that the slave entrances autodeploying at +1, and the region bonus not kicking in until 15, is going to make for some very, very long games.

A couple suggestions:
- 1 troop for every 5 with a minimum deploy of 5 OR 1 troop for every 4 regions
- Increase the autodeploys on the slave entrances to at least 3

Those are just my initial impressions from a 1v1 game...koontz and I are in Round 8, and we both have less than 15 regions and less than 25 armies.


Don't touch it! 1v1 is working great for me.

I like the low deploy because it give plenty of time for maneuver and strategy. You can do your own thing for a little bit without having to worry about an attack coming at you. A large initial deploy and there will be too many 2nd round strikes at people (imho)

Maybe an auto of 2 but I like the +1 and don't see reason to make the deploy massive. I don't really see much reason to move at all though ^^^ see above.

As for it taking too long? Try Hive and Conquer Man. It is just something you have to deal with.


There's no such thing as a two round strike on this map (assuming, of course, you mean elimination). Remember there's a conditional border to be able to attack slave entrances.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby puppydog85 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:24 am

I don't mean elimination. I mean turning the map into a boring variation of Antarctica with sieges occurring outside the bases. What I refer to is a 2nd round strike into the bonus area. And no offense Gil, but I don't think you have even finished game on the map and I have 7 in the bag.

Which brings me to my first criticism. It would be nice to code the starts in 1v1 so that you both hold an even number of corners (each having a 2 neutrals to cut through to get the cups) I don't mind if it's each having 2 corners and one middle or visa versa.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:30 am

puppydog85 wrote:I don't mean elimination. I mean turning the map into a boring variation of Antarctica with sieges occurring outside the bases. What I refer to is a 2nd round strike into the bonus area. And no offense Gil, but I don't think you have even finished game on the map and I have 7 in the bag.

Which brings me to my first criticism. It would be nice to code the starts in 1v1 so that you both hold an even number of corners (each having a 2 neutrals to cut through to get the cups) I don't mind if it's each having 2 corners and one middle or visa versa.

Really glad you are liking it. The corners are coded for even starts. Just a bit of the code was left out and it did not work. Will be OK at next update.

As for the concern for the second round hits and the sieges (like Antarctica), I stopped this with the ring of fire. Each slave entrance has at least 2 exit points from that. Would you consider the +2 slave entrances too high? I was considering the reinforcements, but I do think a 1/5 is too low. A 1/4 seems much nicer. Leave the minimum at 3 then.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby puppydog85 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:20 am

I like the ring of fire, don't get me wrong, but it does not stop a siege in the sense of me shooting across and breaking any bonus you might have, then sitting with a stack on the food while running around and getting a bigger bonus.

I might be wrong but this is how I read the map 1v1:

Getting food is key. A low deploy means it really takes until round 2 to get them.
2nd (imho) is getting the dead warriors. And with the low deploy you can safely go for them without opening yourself up to a strike across the horses _or_ if you see your opponent getting ready for a strike you can switch to another goal.

With a larger auto and deploy, 2 things happen- 1st-The food will be gotten sooner, (with luck, the first round) giving more advantage to the first person to go.
2nd- As is now you really have to think about how to wisely spend your troops against neutrals, but you at least have time to switch things up if you see stuff happening you don't like. With a larger stack and deploy (IMHO) you will get hit and not be able to recover from it _or_ for smarter players, it will turn into a stack and build, then a large punch through to somewhere (which I hate that style of play)

I really think you stumbled (or your massive insight into game-play came up with it, take your pick) onto a great 1v1 setup as it is. I am not adverse to changing it to see how it goes ( could be totally wrong in my projections), but only if it is easy to switch back if it does not work out. I just don't see changing it because it will take a while to win.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby Gilligan on Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:39 am

I'm not saying that I know more about the map than you. I just wanted to clarify what you meant by "first turn strike", cause I thought you meant elimination. :P
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby jcarter1 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:19 pm

it looks like L9 is not actually bombarding L12 even though the colors seem to suggest it

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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby nolefan5311 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:38 pm

jcarter1 wrote:it looks like L9 is not actually bombarding L12 even though the colors seem to suggest it

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=12523533


Noted. I will make the correction and post a fixed version tomorrow sometime.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby nolefan5311 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:46 pm

Ok, here's the correct XML:

Changes:
- Increased the autodeploy on the slave entrances from 1 to 2
- Changed the deploy from 1 army for every 5 regions to 1 army for every 4 regions
- Added the bombardment from L9 to L12.

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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:48 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:Ok, here's the correct XML:

Changes:
- Increased the autodeploy on the slave entrances from 1 to 2
- Changed the deploy from 1 army for every 5 regions to 1 army for every 4 regions
- Added the bombardment from L9 to L12.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/5/13/ ... yrinth.xml

Thanks nole. Been a very busy day today so will get the new map posted tomorrow.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby puppydog85 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:49 pm

Um, should it not be L8 to L12?
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby nolefan5311 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:51 pm

puppydog85 wrote:Um, should it not be L8 to L12?


No, the spears are located on L9.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby ManBungalow on Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:47 pm

ManBungalow wrote:koontz, the font you've used in the legend looks sort of iffy and I can't quite put my finger on why.

Have you used auto-hinter and anti-aliasing ?
Maybe you could change it from black to a really dark colour? (I don't think pure black ever looks good on a map)
Mess with the layer mode?
Consider adding a really low-opacity glow around the characters?

Just reposting to make sure you got this from the previous page.

As a bonus, I've underlined the part which I feel would make the most difference.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:59 pm

ManBungalow wrote:
ManBungalow wrote:koontz, the font you've used in the legend looks sort of iffy and I can't quite put my finger on why.

Have you used auto-hinter and anti-aliasing ?
Maybe you could change it from black to a really dark colour? (I don't think pure black ever looks good on a map)
Mess with the layer mode?
Consider adding a really low-opacity glow around the characters?

Just reposting to make sure you got this from the previous page.

As a bonus, I've underlined the part which I feel would make the most difference.

Got it last time.
Have you used auto-hinter and anti-aliasing ?

Always. :roll:
Maybe you could change it from black to a really dark colour?

Done
Consider adding a really low-opacity glow around the characters?

Does not work so not added.

New files for upload. These go with noles last xml update here.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9784/finallab.png
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2004/labarynthsmall.png

Increases the slaves to a +2 auto and a 1/4 reinforcements.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:40 pm

koontz1973 wrote:New files for upload. These go with noles last xml update here.
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/9784/finallab.png
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2004 ... hsmall.png


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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby jcarter1 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:18 pm

looks like the picture was updated, but the xml is still the same? It says auto deploy +2 but we still seem to be getting +1 currently
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:14 pm

Yeah, I don't know what the deal is...I'll get with koontz in the morning and try to figure it out.
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