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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:54 am

nobodies, and to everyone that worked hard to solve this, thanks.

So to get this straight. You removed the underlying neutrals. This will mean in a 1v1 game, 2 of the four starting positions will be handed out, the other two and the 4 centre ones will now go to random drop. So we can end up with 3-1 corners.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby nolefan5311 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:01 pm

koontz1973 wrote:nobodies, and to everyone that worked hard to solve this, thanks.

So to get this straight. You removed the underlying neutrals. This will mean in a 1v1 game, 2 of the four starting positions will be handed out, the other two and the 4 centre ones will now go to random drop. So we can end up with 3-1 corners.


After having played some 1v1 games, I honestly don't think this is that bad of a problem. Movement around the map is facilitated with the Pegasus', and the only bonus advantage for the center of the map is the Sirens. Maybe you can just increase the amount of neutrals on the two middle Dead Warriors?

Edited to add that I think we should remove the 4 positions from the starting positions, and put all 8 slaves entrances in there with a max of 2 to be distributed. That way we can reinstate the underlying neutrals for the starting positions. This will solve the manual deployment problem that we discussed.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:02 pm

gimme 2-5 mins to finish to type ;)

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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:04 pm

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koontz1973 wrote:nobodies, and to everyone that worked hard to solve this, thanks.

So to get this straight. You removed the underlying neutrals. This will mean in a 1v1 game, 2 of the four starting positions will be handed out, the other two and the 4 centre ones will now go to random drop. So we can end up with 3-1 corners.


After having played some 1v1 games, I honestly don't think this is that bad of a problem. Movement around the map is facilitated with the Pegasus', and the only bonus advantage for the center of the map is the Sirens. Maybe you can just increase the amount of neutrals on the two middle Dead Warriors?

After all the discussions we had over the corners being the ones with the advantages. :lol:

Lets give it a week or two and see what it looks like then.

But again guys, a huge thanks from me.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:13 pm

Without unexpected events life is boring! :D


About the current changes, yeah, I thought about what can happen without the underlying neutrals.
Actually I'm worried about a 3-1 corner layout. Yes, we can leave it and say that an unlucky drop is part of the game, but I know what you want to achieve.
What's the problem, if we code UN on the corners everything works perfectly for games with 4 or less players. The problem is that for 5+ players, the SP are ignored, so the game reads if they have underlying neutrals and so turn them neutral. In this way we have just 4 regions to split among 5 or more players. What happens? exactly what happened, the game starts because there's no players limit applied on the map but the count for the split doesn't work, or saying it better it works just the result is less than one.
Anyway, this should not happen, at least anymore :mrgreen:

Since you want to have a fair drop there's a thing you can do. Code 4 starting positions, but instead of having them with a single position add two position for each starting positions.
For example:
  1. A1 and J16
  2. E1 and N16
  3. J1 and A16
  4. N1 and E16

In this way 2-4 players will have a very fair drop (i'm thinking right now about some crazy team game, but nvm) and with 5+ players the positions are ignored but there's enough regions to start the game becuase there's no underlying neutral.
The only issue is that with fog if you know a position you know also the other, but I don't care so much considering how damned well it could work with all other game types.

What do you think? It seems a good solution to me.

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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby jcarter1 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:16 pm

not a bad solution - just new players down the road need to get that information to not have an unfair disadvantage right off the bat.


On another note:
Is there a reason why the NW corner only has 2 food sources while all the others have at least 3?
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby nolefan5311 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:17 pm

Like this tnb?

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<positions max="1">
   <position>
      <territory>A1</territory>
      <territory>J16</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>A16</territory>
      <territory>J1</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>N1</territory>
      <territory>E16</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>N16</territory>
      <territory>E1</territory>
   </position>
</positions>
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:21 pm

yes and no neutrals coded on those territories :)

edit: eventually you can also remove the max=1 but it's up to koontz this. I think he wants it

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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby jcarter1 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:25 pm

jcarter1 wrote:On another note:
Is there a reason why the NW corner only has 2 food sources while all the others have at least 3?


And on top of that:

Is anyone actually ever going to go for the food sources if 3 of them combined only give +1 but start with 2 neutral troops each?
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:44 pm

Two things then. Nole and nobodies, change the xml for the double starting positions please. Max of one can come out as it is not needed.

jcarter1 wrote:
jcarter1 wrote:On another note:
Is there a reason why the NW corner only has 2 food sources while all the others have at least 3?


And on top of that:

Is anyone actually ever going to go for the food sources if 3 of them combined only give +1 but start with 2 neutral troops each?

Food is in a pattern like all of the other icons. But slight differences have been put in to make the game slightly unbalanced/uneven depending on where you go from. And yes, food is the first to get captured. Less neutrals to get through in 1v1 games. Larger games may be different but they are more of an added extra and not a bonus to change the game. The swords are more like that in the way you are thinking.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby jcarter1 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:08 pm

i highly doubt food is first to be captured - and it is also not less neutrals to go through until you get the bonus
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby pamoa on Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:18 pm

Game 12524814 Round 12
big flaw in the code
I just killed my opponent slave positions without holding Prometheus
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 6:37 pm

pamoa wrote:Game 12524814 Round 12
big flaw in the code
I just killed my opponent slave positions without holding Prometheus


Yes there is. The ring of fire regions are showing as bordering the Slave Entrances, whereas Prometheus is not showing as bordering the slave entrances.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby jcarter1 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:14 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
pamoa wrote:Game 12524814 Round 12
big flaw in the code
I just killed my opponent slave positions without holding Prometheus


Yes there is. The ring of fire regions are showing as bordering the Slave Entrances, whereas Prometheus is not showing as bordering the slave entrances.



prometheus is not supposed to border slave entrances
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA Ready

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:16 pm

jcarter1 wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:
pamoa wrote:Game 12524814 Round 12
big flaw in the code
I just killed my opponent slave positions without holding Prometheus


Yes there is. The ring of fire regions are showing as bordering the Slave Entrances, whereas Prometheus is not showing as bordering the slave entrances.



prometheus is not supposed to border slave entrances

No. but you should hold him to be able to attack the slave entrances.
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