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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:26 am

Gilligan wrote:Are round limits going to be imposed?

This needs to be done. I have trench games on this in round 3 or 4 with 8 players in them. It could take years for them to end.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:58 am

koontz1973 wrote:
nolefan5311 wrote: I think Pegasus' should be n2 or n3.

Agree on a neutral 2 for now.


I will make the changes to the XML and hopefully it can be uploaded during the locking of the map.

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nolefan5311 wrote: Medusa appears to be completely ignored in most games.

She is very close to the middle and only really accessible by the corner entrances or a player coming from the corner. Raising the bonus will not get her into play faster IMO. Leave this for now and we can look at it later when ,ore games have finished.


She is equal territories away from nearly every slave entrance. See below for E9 Medusa:
A1 - 12 territories away (13 neutrals)
E1 - 14 territories away (16 neutrals)
A16 - 11 territories away (12 neutrals)
E16 - 10 territories away (12 neutrals)
J1 - 12 territories away (14 neutrals)
J16 - 11 territories away (14 neutrals)

But it can't hurt to wait to study some more games to see how often she's taken.

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nolefan5311 wrote:While the spears are a nice touch, they are practically useless.

They are not useless. The spears are not their for a way to block or attack, the idea behind them is to give you the ability to see far away. You take one in trench, then they are more than powerful. All game types have been thought of here. :P


This is a good explanation. I didn't doubt this map had all game types planned lol. I do doubt their usefulness at this point, but we can study at some point as well.

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nolefan5311 wrote:Perhaps if the Minotaurs were increased, they would be worth grabbing and then some importance would be added to the spears.

Then the corners have a huge advantage over the centres in larger games.


I honestly don't see how the corners have huge advantage over the center positions, in any game type. If anything I think they have a disadvantage. They are obviously significantly further from Prometheus, who is the key territory in this game, they have n2's on their food as opposed to the center positions which have n1, they don't have a siren close by, etc.

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nolefan5311 wrote:This is kind of a major graphics change as well, but what about perhaps adding sirens along the bottom and top rows, so that bonus is available to people stuck in the corners?

That is not only a huge graphics change but also game play as well. The sirens give a +2 with another slave entrance close by and a large neutral to take. The corners have the minotaurs for a +1 but lower neutral. I am opposed to this.


Well, we can see what happens in a majority of games once the new XML is uploaded and the map is unlocked. I pretty firmly believe there needs to be a little more bonus potential for corner positions.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby puppydog85 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:11 am

What is the status of the games waiting for players? are we going to have to wait for them also? And if you don't mind taking the time, please inform a map newbie why you must wait for all games to end (have you not made multiple changes while games were running?)?
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:13 am

Well nole, if the map needs to get locked every bloody time an update is needed to be made, you and I will be a very old men by the time this gets out of beta.

Can I ask a question to the ones in the know. What is it with this xml that has not been done before? Is it just the conditional border?

puppydog85 wrote:What is the status of the games waiting for players? are we going to have to wait for them also? And if you don't mind taking the time, please inform a map newbie why you must wait for all games to end (have you not made multiple changes while games were running?)?


As for the waiting game, not sure, as for changes in beta, this is normally done live, but for some reason, this one causes more problems when done that way.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby Gilligan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:17 am

Yes this is the first map to use conditional borders...
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:21 am

Gilligan wrote:Yes this is the first map to use conditional borders...

What about the other new things like the requirements?
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby Gilligan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:32 am

You mean collection bonuses? Philly and Fragmentation use those.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:42 am

And they are fine.

So the only thing on this map that is not on any other map is the conditional border. Just be a lot easier to remove the CB totally from this map and use it on another map when it is working.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby Gilligan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:03 am

But with this new update, they are working,right?
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:03 am

So why do we need to lock a map to make an update?
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby Gilligan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:09 am

koontz1973 wrote:So why do we need to lock a map to make an update?


That is what I am confused about too. Hopefully tnb can clarify.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:45 am

koontz1973 wrote:So why do we need to lock a map to make an update?


From what I can tell, it's to make sure that all games are completed, so there isn't any additional confusion about which features are/are not working depending on when the game started. A fresh start, so to speak. I agree with it, because half of the confusion in this thread is people complaining about a certain feature not working when we don't know if the game started before the working XML was uploaded, or if there is actually a problem.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby Gilligan on Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:01 pm

That's kind of the point of beta phase. Play at your own risk.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:03 pm

The reason is that the game engine reads the xml in order. So since regions were changed around in the xml, players end up getting different positions, thereby changing the outcome of the game. Hope this makes sense.
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Re: Labyrinth [21/2] Pg 1/24 BETA

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:41 pm

Makes plenty of sense.
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