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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [25/11] Pg 1/11 Graphics?

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:59 pm

It is beautiful... I think you've managed to capture the riot of bright colours that one associates with Iberia.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [25/11] Pg 1/11 Graphics?

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:39 am

isaiah40 wrote:Here ya go kiddo!
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Thanks. :)
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Thank you oh merciful one. Will post the xml later tonight.Image

Thank you. :D
Dukasaur wrote:It is beautiful... I think you've managed to capture the riot of bright colours that one associates with Iberia.

And once again thanks. :oops:

xml time done at last.
http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/1/27/3255536/Madrid1.xml
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [25/11] Pg 1/11 Graphics?

Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:54 am

koontz, what program do you use for your xml text editing...i am having a little difficulty with my notetab pro as it won't allow Czech cyrillic characters...so i need to find a better one, one that is hopefully free and has line numbers.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [25/11] Pg 1/11 Graphics?

Postby nolefan5311 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:20 am

cairnswk wrote:koontz, what program do you use for your xml text editing...i am having a little difficulty with my notetab pro as it won't allow Czech cyrillic characters...so i need to find a better one, one that is hopefully free and has line numbers.


I don't know what koontz uses, but I use Notepad++, which is also free. :)
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [25/11] Pg 1/11 Graphics?

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:32 am

Yep, I just use good old fashioned notepad. Not one with a + or advanced version, just the bog standard one that came with the computer around 10 years ago. Maybe I should ask Santa for a new computer.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [25/11] Pg 1/11 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:27 am

Fixed kerning issues spotted by cairns. Thanks for that. Also, the xml was missing an accent so fixed the xml as well.
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New xml. Edited into the xml checking thread as well.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby cairnswk on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:37 am

koontz...kerning much better :)
you'll prob wanna kill me for this though...
small map...norte, Oeste, and nordeste territory names appear to have lost brilliance....maybe my tired eyes...but are they blurring into drop shadow....don't have the same brilliance/legibility as the legend colours even though the legend is larger font. :? sorry.
large map...the Oeste almost seems red as opposed to the vibrant orange of the territory names....are these the same colours...or just a trick because of larger font size?
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:46 am

Will have a look but I am inclined to think it is your eyes. The colours have not been touched at all for the territ names since last time. But I will go and have a look today for you. It could also be image shack buggering up the upload again. That seems to happen sometimes to me.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby nolefan5311 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:03 pm

koonts, please upload the file into the thread. Otherwise everything looks ok. Easiest XML I've ever checked lol.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby cairnswk on Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:53 pm

cairnswk wrote:koontz...kerning much better :)
you'll prob wanna kill me for this though...
small map...norte, Oeste, and nordeste territory names appear to have lost brilliance....maybe my tired eyes...but are they blurring into drop shadow....don't have the same brilliance/legibility as the legend colours even though the legend is larger font. :? sorry.
large map...the Oeste almost seems red as opposed to the vibrant orange of the territory names....are these the same colours...or just a trick because of larger font size?

tert names are much clearer today...perhaps it was tired eyes. ;)
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:40 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:koonts, please upload the file into the thread. Otherwise everything looks ok. Easiest XML I've ever checked lol.

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cairnswk wrote:tert names are much clearer today...perhaps it was tired eyes. ;)

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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby nolefan5311 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:30 am

I meant upload the xml file into the thread.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:37 am

nolefan5311 wrote:I meant upload the xml file into the thread.

How do I do that?

I posted a link into both this and the xml thread like I have always done. :?
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:56 am

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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby 100023690 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:33 am

hello koontz1973

you are doing a great work :D

i realize now about the map, i think if you want a perfect map about Madrid, you should think to change some names that are wrong in the map:

Convento Rodriguez ( Francos Rodriguez zone) i think it is not very known for people, maybe you can consider change this zone to Ciudad Universitaria ( the bigger Univertisy of Spain).

Glorieta de Sandro Pertini ( really i lived a lot of years in Madrid and i never heard about that) why not Aeropuerto de Barajas? ( barajas airport, it is the 4th european airport.

Mézquita de Omar --nobody use this name, all people known this place like : Mézquita de la M-30

Plaza de toros--you are right but there are more than one in madrid, but the important is : Las Ventas is the right name for this zone

Pozuelo de Alarcón-- it is not in madrid city, it is another city close to Madrid,but it is ok.

Lázaro Galdiano (Lázaro Galdeano is correct ) i think this zone is not very known for people, why not Santiago Bernabeu?

Imagen Curiosa ( what is this? curious image? i don´t understand this,, this zone is known like Avenida de America

Torres desde cocheras --really this is a very ugly name, towers since garages? why not las torres de madrid ( madrid towers)

Surbatan ( Sur batan) i think only Batan is correct, it is not necesary sur

Ventilla -- really it is not the best district of Madrid and it is not placed there, right there is one of the most richest disctrict of madrid named : La Moraleja

Parque Agustin Rodriguez-- i think this place is better known like Fuencarral

Becquer-- i think this don´t say nothing, maybe Gustavo Adolfo Becquer but it is too long, this zone is famous by the Cementerio de la Almudena ( Almudena graveyard) La Almudena is right.

Los Sacramentin-- i never heard this zone,really i think is worst write, i think the zone known by all people and one the most popular zone in madrid is : Vallekas.

Santa Cristina it is not a known place too, why not Estadio Vicente Calderon ( Atletico de Madrid Stadium) or San Isidro ( the Saint of madrid, there is placed the zone where people celebrate the feast day, it is the most tipical of madrid)

San Miguel Arcangel --- i never heard this too, this zone could be Usera or Carabanchel, a very well known zones of madrid


Well i hope this help you to improve the map ;-)

greetings
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:02 am

Will look at the names given later on today, but right now with your names, I do see no reason to change them to your suggestions. Why, because even though you say you have lived in Madrid and not heard of some of these places, that does not mean they do not exist. Some of the others like the airport is not even on the map. It would be way out to the top right of the map. Some of these buildings with the territs named after them are named that, not after any particular district. You mentioned that Ventilla is not a nice district, but that is no reason to remove it. Their are many parts of the world that are not nice, but we still have maps of them. But I will go through the names more closely later for you and see if any do need to be changed. Surbatan is correct for that territ. Sur may not be necessary but from what I have read and seen, it is OK.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby 100023690 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:21 am

i only try to help you, of course i don´t have any interest in that you change any or nothing in the map,
i am not saying that those places doesn´t exit, but are so rare or unknown for people that if you change the name of map of madrid for barcelona or Valencia maybe won´t be problem because in all citys there are these names.
about airport, check the map,it is there :-)
and Ventilla is a famous district by drugs,and it is right on the other side on the map, i think it is not a big or representative district in madrid to be signed, there are a lot of districts bigger and more important thar are not signed in the map
Batan is a small "district "very close to Casa de Campo ( zoo,Amusement park,)but really is part of the another bigger district named La Latina and it is so small that doesn´t have north-south-east or west.

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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:58 am

about airport, check the map,it is there :-)

Not saying Madrid does not have an airport, just saying it is not anywhere close to the maps borders.
Ventilla is a famous district by drugs

So what, can anyone name a city that does not have these problems and give a reason why these places should not be represented on a map if it is an area covered?
There may be other districts, but these are the ones that have been chosen over the coarse of the maps development over the last few months. And no territ has been named after a district, they have all been named after buildings are parts of areas.

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Not all of the buildings are accurate, but when you turn a picture that is 500+ pixel photo into a 50 pixel drawing, a lot of the detail is lost. But all names are accurate. This has been discussed a lot throughout the thread. Spent the last hour or so looking at your names and not one can I find worth a change. Some are not on the map whilst others are a personal choice. If I changed them for you, what is to say someone else would not come in and say, put them back. This late in the game, it is a judgement call by me. But thanks for the look in.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby 100023690 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:42 pm

lol it seems you are doing me a favour.
ok, i sent you the ideas, but you don´t want heard,so i won´t spent more time on it
clearly a lot of spanish guys sent you a message in this thread about Madrid and you looked for the best info too.

greetings ;-(
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:40 pm

100023690 wrote:lol it seems you are doing me a favour.
ok, i sent you the ideas, but you don´t want heard,so i won´t spent more time on it
clearly a lot of spanish guys sent you a message in this thread about Madrid and you looked for the best info too.

greetings ;-(

Not doing you a favour, just doing what I have to do as a map maker.
I heard all your ides for names, but I did see no good reason for a change.
Yep, when I do a map of anywhere, I send a mass PM to around a 100 or so from that country, I tend to be lucky if one or two stay and help like this map, but mostly I get mass PMs back saying do this or that. I like the map and the buildings chosen where also done for their different looks more than what is famous.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby Conchobar on Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:41 am

Loving Sydney & Pot Mosbi so far. Please do Classic City London! :D The current London map sucks! :P
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:16 am

Conchobar wrote:Loving Sydney & Pot Mosbi so far. Please do Classic City London! :D The current London map sucks! :P

Current London map may not be to my liking but it is liked. I may get round to doing another one a lot later when we have more CC maps.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:45 am

XML looks good!

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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:15 am

Thanks nobodies.
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Re: Classic Cities: Madrid [8/12] Pg 1/12 xml submitted

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:45 pm

I am posting this here as a thread in the Spanish forum has been set up about this map.

I have had to use google translate. I see some of you have posted in the thread already but I fell that a fuller answer here would also be helpful. Sorry if I have butchered your language.
Guys, I understand this map may not be to everyone's taste. It has taken me many months and many drafts to get this far. When I started the map, I sent a PM to around 100 players that have Spain as country. I recieved many replys and a few even posted in the thread. The buildings that I chose to draw on the map where given to me by a Madrid native. I wanted to do something slightly different which is why, under the guidence of the player and the map moderators I zoomed right in to the centre of the map. I am sure that their are many buildings that could of been used, and many areas that also could of been depicted, but these ones where chosen for a couple of reasons. I wanted to use many well known buildings and some not so well known. Secondly, I wanted to use buildings that looked different and interesting. This is why you can see Atocha and Moncloa next to Mezquita de Omar. I have all through the thread taken requests on which buildings to use and names of the territs.
These have been done many times and have changed many times. No matter what a map maker puts onto his maps, someone will always disagree with the decision. I have to then make the decision on what to use and what to discard. I know it may sound harsh but I am sure you will understand that at some point a map must be the map makers.


He tenido que usar el traductor de google para leer esto y enviar una respuesta. Veo que algunos de ustedes han escrito en el hilo ya, pero me caí de que una respuesta más completa aquí también sería útil. Lo siento si he matado su idioma.
Chicos, yo entiendo este mapa puede no ser del gusto de todos. Me ha tomado muchos meses y muchos borradores para llegar hasta aquí. Cuando empecé el mapa, le envié un PM a alrededor de 100 jugadores que tienen a España como país. He recibido muchas respuestas y algunos incluso ha escrito en el hilo. Los edificios que he elegido para dibujar en el mapa donde que me dio un nativo de Madrid. Yo quería hacer algo un poco diferente por lo que, bajo la lineamientos establecidos del jugador y los moderadores del mapa Metí el zoom justo en el centro del mapa. Estoy seguro de que sus muchos edificios que podría haber sido utilizado, y muchas áreas que podrían también ha representado de, pero estos fueron escogidos por un par de razones. Quería usar muchos edificios muy conocidos y otros no tan bien conocido. En segundo lugar, quería utilizar los edificios que se vean diferente e interesante. Por ello, se puede ver Atocha y Moncloa junto a Mezquita de Omar. Tengo todo a través de las solicitudes de rosca tomadas en el que los edificios de uso y los nombres de los territs.
Estos se han hecho muchas veces y han cambiado muchas veces. No importa lo que un cartógrafo pone sobre sus mapas, siempre hay alguien que esté en desacuerdo con la decisión. Tengo que hacer entonces la decisión sobre qué usar y qué desechar.
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