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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:16 pm

Armandolas wrote:In the past i had criticizef some of your maps, mostly because of graphics....but this one just looks...Beautifull
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ManBungalow wrote:To clarify, this is what I'm suggesting with the bridges:

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You're currently using bridge model A.

I recommend bridge model B. It's the same, but with soft ends.

At the moment, they stand out from the rest of the map because they look like blocks of whatever just slapped on top of the image.

ManB, I know what you wanted. But I am happy with the way they are. As I said, I was in two minds whether to do your way or not. I like your way but they are too realistic for the map so I deferred judgement to the higher ups (players). If they say to change it, then I will.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:34 am

tbh I like ManB suggestion athough I don't see it as a mandatory thing.

If there's nothing more to add i think we're ready to play...no?

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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:16 am

Will make the change this weekend. I take it Monday is the earliest we can play so expect the files by then.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [13/4] Beta?

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 11:01 am

Why wait.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby Oneyed on Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:02 pm

there are still visible rivers under some bridges...

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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:06 pm

Oneyed wrote:there are still visible rivers under some bridges...

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Where? I can't see them... :?

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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby Oneyed on Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:24 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:
Where? I can't see them... :?


in Vertex map: from Gerros to Cephissus and from Cephissus to Hyparis.
in Austrum map: from Ionia to Ridun.

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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 12:30 pm

That is the grain, not the river. All bridges have a 100% opacity dark grey backing behind the texture layer.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby SirSebstar on Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:49 am

it looks visually appealing. count be a real boon for FS players on manual though, win with round 3 (due to round 1 being placement)
looks like a low recovery map if you start the first turn with bonussess due to 4+ in one region.....mmm
what eslse do you want to have looked at?
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby thenobodies80 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:15 pm

          Beta - Quenching

---The development periods have concluded for the Austrum and Vertex Maps. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand these maps with the Foundry Beta Brand. Let it be known that these maps are now ready for BETA Play. After an extended period of time in BETA and once all quirks and issues have been resolved, the maps will be put into Full Play (barring any Admins or Foundry Foreman vetoes).

Conquer Club, enjoy!

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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby ManBungalow on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:22 pm

Congrats koontz; your best-looking maps to date.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby nolefan5311 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:50 pm

Congrats koontz!
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby Teflon Kris on Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:00 pm

Nice - although do you really want to give +10 bonus for the full island on the right in Austrum, and nothing for connected regions in the centre?
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby Gilligan on Wed Apr 17, 2013 8:41 pm

Might need to add/remove some neutrals on Austrum - 12 starting territs in 1v1 isn't great
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:27 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:Nice - although do you really want to give +10 bonus for the full island on the right in Austrum, and nothing for connected regions in the centre?

Connected regions in the centre do give a bonus. They need to be in the same regions though. Look at the names and glows.
Gilligan wrote:Might need to add/remove some neutrals on Austrum - 12 starting territs in 1v1 isn't great

Will sort that today. That is bad, I had it at 13.

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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby puppydog85 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:40 am

Quick point on Austrum, once I figured out that it was not the last map I played (Vertex), I had a slight amount of trouble finding out what the exploratorum were (it might be that it was speed 1min. game). But perhaps it might be possible to make the ships in the legend a little bolder? They just looked like background decoration to me, but the whole thing could have been because I was confused about the map and then the time.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:11 pm

puppydog85 wrote:Quick point on Austrum, once I figured out that it was not the last map I played (Vertex), I had a slight amount of trouble finding out what the exploratorum were (it might be that it was speed 1min. game). But perhaps it might be possible to make the ships in the legend a little bolder? They just looked like background decoration to me, but the whole thing could have been because I was confused about the map and then the time.

This has been brought up before. Will look into it but a new map, 1 minute speed and getting confused with Vertex is probably not the best thing to play. Now try playing both in a 1 minute speed while drinking. Every game you lose, you drink a pint. :oops:
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby perchorin on Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:56 pm

Beautiful map koontz. I do have to say though that I find the font you've used for the legend (while quite attractive) is terribly difficult to read. Enough straining and I figured out what it said, but I can guarantee you any players on this site who's native language doesn't use the Roman alphabet will be very hard-pressed to know what the legend says.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby ManBungalow on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:14 pm

perchorin wrote:Beautiful map koontz. I do have to say though that I find the font you've used for the legend (while quite attractive) is terribly difficult to read. Enough straining and I figured out what it said, but I can guarantee you any players on this site who's native language doesn't use the Roman alphabet will be very hard-pressed to know what the legend says.

I also raised a point about the font of the legend about three pages back.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby betiko on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:54 pm

Haven t tried austrum yet but I m playing a few vertex and I like it with its original bonus.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby jigger1986 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:21 pm

Just want to say koodos on some great maps. Played several games on Vertex, only a couple on Austrum, but I think they are both great!

I would really like to see a third added to the set, and perhaps a supersize maps where they are all linked somehow?
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:09 pm

perchorin wrote: I do have to say though that I find the font you've used for the legend (while quite attractive) is terribly difficult to read.

As I said to ManB a few pages back as well, the font fits the map. If it is a choice of another font that is easier to read and lose some of the style, I will choose the font used. It may be hard, but not imposable.
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My plan has always been to do the next 2/3 maps running around the equator. I have started on the first one but wanted to see how these a liked first.
betiko wrote:Haven t tried austrum yet but I m playing a few vertex and I like it with its original bonus.

Great to hear. I am getting the same in games.
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby perchorin on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:24 pm

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perchorin wrote: I do have to say though that I find the font you've used for the legend (while quite attractive) is terribly difficult to read.

As I said to ManB a few pages back as well, the font fits the map. If it is a choice of another font that is easier to read and lose some of the style, I will choose the font used. It may be hard, but not imposable.

I have to disagree. I asked my wife to have a look. She's Korean but her English ability is quite high and it was impossible for her to read the legend. I realize it's likely a small percentage of CC players who's native language uses a a non-Roman alphabet but it seems to me quite unfair to write a legend on a map that isn't decipherable to all players. How is that particular font so integral to the map anyway?
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:30 pm

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koontz1973 wrote:
perchorin wrote: I do have to say though that I find the font you've used for the legend (while quite attractive) is terribly difficult to read.

As I said to ManB a few pages back as well, the font fits the map. If it is a choice of another font that is easier to read and lose some of the style, I will choose the font used. It may be hard, but not imposable.

I have to disagree. I asked my wife to have a look. She's Korean but her English ability is quite high and it was impossible for her to read the legend. I realize it's likely a small percentage of CC players who's native language uses a a non-Roman alphabet but it seems to me quite unfair to write a legend on a map that isn't decipherable to all players. How is that particular font so integral to the map anyway?

Can your wife read the legend on the large map?
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Re: Vertex/Austrum [1/12] [24/3] Beta?

Postby perchorin on Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:32 am

koontz1973 wrote:
perchorin wrote:
koontz1973 wrote:
perchorin wrote: I do have to say though that I find the font you've used for the legend (while quite attractive) is terribly difficult to read.

As I said to ManB a few pages back as well, the font fits the map. If it is a choice of another font that is easier to read and lose some of the style, I will choose the font used. It may be hard, but not imposable.

I have to disagree. I asked my wife to have a look. She's Korean but her English ability is quite high and it was impossible for her to read the legend. I realize it's likely a small percentage of CC players who's native language uses a a non-Roman alphabet but it seems to me quite unfair to write a legend on a map that isn't decipherable to all players. How is that particular font so integral to the map anyway?

Can your wife read the legend on the large map?

Not well enough to understand what it says. She can make out a few words but not enough of them to put it all together. When I told her the first word in the upper right was "Hold" she thought I was pulling her leg.
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