[Online] Map XML Wizard

[WidowMakers]

Nooo... My immaculate perl skills are useless now

Well as cool as this tool is (very cool) , I would never want to do the XML for the Hive that way. Some maps (i.e. poker club, Hive) could be easier another way

[chipv]

Getting back to the tool itself, I am pleased to see that chipv has attempted to auto-scale coordinates between map sizes. Am I correct that this happens only when the territory is initially created, and adjustments to each are made separately?

Yes I had to do that otherwise you would get changes on one affecting the other. Since there is probably always going to be a rounding error,
as most map sizes are not direct multiples, one map can have territories one pixel out, so if I kept on auto-calculating then you would never get it right.

So if you have 2 maps loaded, adding a territory to one map also auto-adds it to the other but thereafter they are left alone for manual
adjusting separately.

Best thing is to always load both maps, do all territories on one, then adjust the ones you need on the other map which shouldn't take long.

[ender516]

Nooo... My immaculate perl skills are useless now

Well as cool as this tool is (very cool) , I would never want to do the XML for the Hive that way. Some maps (i.e. poker club, Hive) could be easier another way

You're quite right, there are maps with regular patterns where generated XML would be simpler. The great thing about this tool is that you could generate all the stuff with a pattern, then load that XML into this tool, and point and shoot to put in the odd bits.

[natty dread]

It would be very helpful if you could also scroll the map image sideways. Currently when you work on the large image, you can only scroll up and down, and so the editing window covers part of the image... so you'll have to zoom out which makes the positioning of coordinates hard.

[chipv]

It would be very helpful if you could also scroll the map image sideways. Currently when you work on the large image, you can only scroll up and down, and so the editing window covers part of the image... so you'll have to zoom out which makes the positioning of coordinates hard.

Ok I will look into it.

I'm looking for ideas for extra warnings/errors in the XML validation as we can put is as many as we need.

Current suggestions:

Warning: Continent X contains Continent Y which it does not override
Error: Continents X overrides continent Y which it does not have as a component. (Not the same as that continent not existsing)

More suggestions welcome.

[yeti_c]

Awesome stuff Chip...

As said - a few maps you wouldn't want to do the terits/continents - but you probably still want to do the co-ords with this... the cursor key moving is simply the best bit of that - at the moment it's a right arse to move an army number 1 pixel - then another etc...

Error: Continents X overrides continent Y which it does not have as a component. (Not the same as that continent not existsing)

Shouldn't be an error (Warning is fine)... can be desired. (Pretty sure I use that in Poker Club for instance)

Others...

Error : Territory X has the same co-ordinates as Territory Y.
Warning : Territory X is too close to territory Y
(might need to work out what "too close" is)
Error : Territory X has Killer Neutral and Territory Bonus
Error : Territoy X borders & bombards territory Y
(does this one already get checked for?)

C.

[chipv]

Error: Continents X overrides continent Y which it does not have as a component. (Not the same as that continent not existsing)

Shouldn't be an error (Warning is fine)... can be desired. (Pretty sure I use that in Poker Club for instance)

Others...

Error : Territory X has the same co-ordinates as Territory Y.
Warning : Territory X is too close to territory Y
(might need to work out what "too close" is)
Error : Territory X has Killer Neutral and Territory Bonus
Error : Territoy X borders & bombards territory Y
(does this one already get checked for?)

C.

Ok so we want

Warning: Continents X overrides continent Y which it does not have as a component.
Warning: Continent X contains Continent Y which it does not override
Error: Territory X has Killer Neutral and Territory Bonus

Error: Territory X has territory Y as both a border and a bombardment -
No, the mapmaker does not check for this according to its list, so we need this.

Error:Territory X has same co-ordinates as Territory Y (does this happen that often?)

Dunno about territories too close to each other - do we have a specification on this?

Some more:

Continent X has no bonus specified
Continents X has no components

[ender516]

I don't think there is a specification about how close territories can be to each other, but I know that in cases like Rail Europe, it can be very difficult to point at one number and see the map inspection markers (bars, boxes, brackets, etc.) on the neighbours.

[Evil DIMwit]

Dunno about territories too close to each other - do we have a specification on this?

Presumably, if one territory's army count coincides with another territory's army count. That would be if they're within 12 pixels vertically or -- using four digits as the maximum length (which it will be for the vast, vast majority of cases) -- 33 horizontally. That would be the strictest specification.

[yeti_c]

Dunno about territories too close to each other - do we have a specification on this?

Presumably, if one territory's army count coincides with another territory's army count. That would be if they're within 12 pixels vertically or -- using four digits as the maximum length (which it will be for the vast, vast majority of cases) -- 33 horizontally. That would be the strictest specification.

Something like that - although I think we force to 3 digits rather than 4 (except for CC City Mogul (where we forced to 4 because of the numbers involved))

Error:Territory X has same co-ordinates as Territory Y (does this happen that often?)

It does when I'm writing the XML - because I copy n paste that section and sort it out afterwards... Could combine this with the above though?

C.

[Evil DIMwit]

Something like that - although I think we force to 3 digits rather than 4 (except for CC City Mogul (where we forced to 4 because of the numbers involved))

In a build-up game it's not hard to get over 100 on any map. Combine that with the color code and you get an easy 4 (admittedly, once you're in 3-digit territory, the last digit isn't very significant but it's important to know that the last digit is there).

[yeti_c]

Something like that - although I think we force to 3 digits rather than 4 (except for CC City Mogul (where we forced to 4 because of the numbers involved))

In a build-up game it's not hard to get over 100 on any map. Combine that with the color code and you get an easy 4 (admittedly, once you're in 3-digit territory, the last digit isn't very significant but it's important to know that the last digit is there).

Whilst I appreciate that - the limits that the foundry holds is to 3 digits...

So - 3 digits should be an error (i.e. you can't proceed with this map)
4 digits could be a warning...

Here's another error though...
Error: Territory X Co-ordinates are too close to the edge of the map.
(i.e. that with 3 digits the army number falls off the map)
Error: Territory X Co-ordinates are off the edge of the map.
(i.e. the army number isn't visible as it is outside the map size)

[natty dread]

Here's a suggestion: implement an automatic bonus calculator, that uses the formula in one of the spreadsheet ones to calculate bonuses for the continents...

Not something that needs to be done ASAP, but it would be a nice detail...

[Evil DIMwit]

Here's a suggestion: implement an automatic bonus calculator, that uses the formula in one of the spreadsheet ones to calculate bonuses for the continents...

Not something that needs to be done ASAP, but it would be a nice detail...

On the other hand, bonus assignment is fairly context-sensitive and the spreadsheets are always more like recommendations. Ideally this tool would get used after all the squabbling over gameplay specifics is done with.

[natty dread]

Here's a suggestion: implement an automatic bonus calculator, that uses the formula in one of the spreadsheet ones to calculate bonuses for the continents...

Not something that needs to be done ASAP, but it would be a nice detail...

On the other hand, bonus assignment is fairly context-sensitive and the spreadsheets are always more like recommendations. Ideally this tool would get used after all the squabbling over gameplay specifics is done with.

Yeah, but it would be a nice addition to the tool. They can always be adjusted by hand later on. And it would make deciding bonuses easier, as you wouldn't have to count territories and borders and whatnot for the spreadsheets, but the program would do it for you.