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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby ViperOverLord on Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:13 am

Hath wrote:
chapcrap wrote:7-0 vs the Top 25 and I'm taking number 13 down to the wire at home. That's how you get to the top!


Tennessee, now #10, prevails. It was a game of huge runs, as the Vols sprinted out to an early 32-16 lead at home. The crowd was rocking at Thompson-Boling Arena. Before you could bat an eye, the Razorbacks recovered and, only a few minutes into the second half, tied the game at 48. The remainder of the game had a March Madness feel to it, as the teams battled back and forth. As soon as it seemed one team was about to go on a run, the other would roar back to tie it up. The game came down to the final minute, as Tennessee was able to convert consecutive 3 pointers to put the game away 77-70. A well fought game that was tooth and nail, nothing you wouldn't expect from two top 10 teams!

Tennessee hands Arkansas its first Top-25 loss, while remaining unbeaten against top-flight competition itself at 5-0.


Vols huh. Hmmm__Okay. I think I found my cc coaching dream job :lol:
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby Hath on Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:49 pm

ViperOverLord wrote:
Hath wrote:
chapcrap wrote:7-0 vs the Top 25 and I'm taking number 13 down to the wire at home. That's how you get to the top!


Tennessee, now #10, prevails. It was a game of huge runs, as the Vols sprinted out to an early 32-16 lead at home. The crowd was rocking at Thompson-Boling Arena. Before you could bat an eye, the Razorbacks recovered and, only a few minutes into the second half, tied the game at 48. The remainder of the game had a March Madness feel to it, as the teams battled back and forth. As soon as it seemed one team was about to go on a run, the other would roar back to tie it up. The game came down to the final minute, as Tennessee was able to convert consecutive 3 pointers to put the game away 77-70. A well fought game that was tooth and nail, nothing you wouldn't expect from two top 10 teams!

Tennessee hands Arkansas its first Top-25 loss, while remaining unbeaten against top-flight competition itself at 5-0.


Vols huh. Hmmm__Okay. I think I found my cc coaching dream job :lol:


Haha. At first I didn't get it and then I looked at your name again and was like, "ohhhhhhhhh." :lol:

Coach Hath has stated on numerous occasions the only job he would leave for is if the University of Michigan job opened up, since he is an alumnus. ;) So if that ever happens, you might get your wish!
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby Robespierre__ on Mon Feb 20, 2012 10:48 am

How is it that the ACC leading UNC Tarheels are getting no top 25 love @ 18-6? RPI formula seems to be ignoring some quality :0
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby flexmaster33 on Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:22 pm

The Heels are close...#29. And 0-3 mark vs. the top-25 is holding back their RPI.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby ViperOverLord on Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:55 pm

^^^
The RPI is quite accurate. The formula measures the pertinent factors in a realistic fashion. The NCAA Tournament would be much more fair if they only used the RPI. But of course the so-called power conferences don't want to give up control.

My 17-8 Butler Bulldogs are hardly much worse record wise than the 18-6 Tarheels. But they are 29 RPI and my Bulldogs are 56 RPI. There's a more than fair reason for the big difference. They have performed that much better despite the close records. Bottom line: If UNC is not in the top 25 it's b/c they haven't earned it.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby callmecommander on Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:42 am

ViperOverLord wrote:^^^
The RPI is quite accurate. The formula measures the pertinent factors in a realistic fashion. The NCAA Tournament would be much more fair if they only used the RPI. But of course the so-called power conferences don't want to give up control.

My 17-8 Butler Bulldogs are hardly much worse record wise than the 18-6 Tarheels. But they are 29 RPI and my Bulldogs are 56 RPI. There's a more than fair reason for the big difference. They have performed that much better despite the close records. Bottom line: If UNC is not in the top 25 it's b/c they haven't earned it.


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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby ViperOverLord on Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:41 am

Butler announces that they will also sport black SW armbands for the remainder of the season to honor the late Alabama head coach, SouthernWarrior.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby Robespierre__ on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:16 am

ViperOverLord wrote:^^^
The RPI is quite accurate. The formula measures the pertinent factors in a realistic fashion. The NCAA Tournament would be much more fair if they only used the RPI. But of course the so-called power conferences don't want to give up control.

My 17-8 Butler Bulldogs are hardly much worse record wise than the 18-6 Tarheels. But they are 29 RPI and my Bulldogs are 56 RPI. There's a more than fair reason for the big difference. They have performed that much better despite the close records. Bottom line: If UNC is not in the top 25 it's b/c they haven't earned it.


Are you saying the RPI formula used is the ACTUAL RPI formula?? I was presuming it was homemade.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby flexmaster33 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:58 am

It is homemade, but closely replicates the real formula with just a few minor tweaks.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby GeneralJestix on Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:34 pm

flexmaster33 wrote:It is homemade, but closely replicates the real formula with just a few minor tweaks.


how does baylor make top 25 when they are 4th in the conference and im not in it leading the conference? I have a better top 25 record and we split our series?
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby ViperOverLord on Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:41 pm

flexmaster33 wrote:It is homemade, but closely replicates the real formula with just a few minor tweaks.


I thought it was the actual formula. I stand by the actual formula as I've followed it and seen just how accurate it is. I don't know about the tweaked formula. Perhaps it's tweaked to deal with some CC nuances. Perhaps it's tweaked too much to favor Top 25 wins IMO. B/C I have a good record and point margin and I'm way down in the RPI (and I was wondering in the back of my if that was b/c the formula had been tweaked). I'm only 0-1 vs. Top 25. I don't know if that's necessarily punishing me or just over rewarding other teams for their top 25 performance.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby ubcman64 on Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:59 pm

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flexmaster33 wrote:It is homemade, but closely replicates the real formula with just a few minor tweaks.


I thought it was the actual formula. I stand by the actual formula as I've followed it and seen just how accurate it is. I don't know about the tweaked formula. Perhaps it's tweaked to deal with some CC nuances. Perhaps it's tweaked too much to favor Top 25 wins IMO. B/C I have a good record and point margin and I'm way down in the RPI (and I was wondering in the back of my if that was b/c the formula had been tweaked). I'm only 0-1 vs. Top 25. I don't know if that's necessarily punishing me or just over rewarding other teams for their top 25 performance.


i wondered about the tweaked formula myself. i went something like 16-0 and only spent 1 week at #1. granted, not many of the teams i played were top 25. but i actually was making a gradually drop from #1 down to #6 i think it was, having never lost a game. i just don't see how you should go backwards if you continue to win.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby callmecommander on Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:43 pm

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I thought it was the actual formula. I stand by the actual formula as I've followed it and seen just how accurate it is. I don't know about the tweaked formula. Perhaps it's tweaked to deal with some CC nuances. Perhaps it's tweaked too much to favor Top 25 wins IMO. B/C I have a good record and point margin and I'm way down in the RPI (and I was wondering in the back of my if that was b/c the formula had been tweaked). I'm only 0-1 vs. Top 25. I don't know if that's necessarily punishing me or just over rewarding other teams for their top 25 performance.


i wondered about the tweaked formula myself. i went something like 16-0 and only spent 1 week at #1. granted, not many of the teams i played were top 25. but i actually was making a gradually drop from #1 down to #6 i think it was, having never lost a game. i just don't see how you should go backwards if you continue to win.


The thing about using a computer formula that doesn't involve voting is that it is plausible to go down despite continuing to go undefeated. I won't pretend to know how the formula works, but looking at how the top 25 is distributed just based on overall record, I gotta trust its doing ok.
I think strength of conference may also be important, but not sure.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby flexmaster33 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:04 am

ding, ding, ding...commander, yes strength of conference is one of the minor factors.

I may tweak it a bit next season in terms of the top-25 ratio...originally that was set to include wins vs. the top-40, but that was just killing me time-wise, so I knocked it back to top-25 this year.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby ViperOverLord on Wed Feb 22, 2012 3:51 am

flexmaster33 wrote:ding, ding, ding...commander, yes strength of conference is one of the minor factors.

I may tweak it a bit next season in terms of the top-25 ratio...originally that was set to include wins vs. the top-40, but that was just killing me time-wise, so I knocked it back to top-25 this year.


Yea__ Top 40 was much more accurate. Even if you want to keep it top 25 to save time then I'd lessen how much it means in the formula relative to other factors.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby flexmaster33 on Wed Feb 22, 2012 4:32 am

All right everyone should have Game 28s now...if you have missed a set over the last couple weeks, don't worry too much. It probably just means you got a forfeit from one of the handful of players who dropped the season early.

My laptop is getting some upgrades today, so I will be off CC until late tonight. Hoping to get a major standings update out by Thursday including a fresh RPI with Game 29s to follow shortly after.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby musicalmaven on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:53 pm

this is to inform you that i won game # 10554847, colorado state (friesuschrist) vs. iona.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby reptile on Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:23 pm

I am still waiting for my game 27's to start. I have already messaged him and still havent heard anything back. I realize a few people have quit lately but they are against #21 ranked purdue so i dont know why he would quit if he was doing so well....
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby flexmaster33 on Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:25 pm

he may just be out of town...I'm checking the deadbeats as I go through tonight's batch of results.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 23)

Postby flexmaster33 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:24 am

Illinois remains our top team in the RPI, and yes, North Carolina has cracked back into the top-25 :)
Bowling Green is the first to clinch a league title, securing the #1 seed for the MAC tourney.

Game 29s will be going out throughout the day Friday with Game 30s going out over the weekend to finish the regular season.

After that conference tourneys will begin with matchups going out as final results come in and the brackets are able to form.

Remember win your conference tourney and get an automatic bid to the March Madness championship bracket...otherwise you'll have to wait for our Selection Show to learn your official fate :0
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 23)

Postby musicalmaven on Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:05 am

this is to inform you that i won game # 10623620, iona vs. rider (gochisox2004).
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 23)

Postby ViperOverLord on Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:49 pm

Flex: Hate to kick a barely breathing horse, but I'm convinced that your new RPI formula sucks. I'm at 51 and Marshall is at 53 and all of the teams from 50 through 24 have better RPI's and worse records. And I have a 13 pt margin of victory and Marshall has a 9 pt margin of victory. Better records and solid pt margins are completely being trumped by what I don't know. I thought it was the top 25 records. But that isn't even the case. Look at this:

#47 Cornell 17-12 (1-5 vs Top 25, 5-7 league record), 6.9 victory margin

#51 Butler 19-8 (0-1 vs Top 25, 12-3 league record), 13.4 victory margin

That type of discrepancy doesn't seem to hint at a solid formula.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 23)

Postby flexmaster33 on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:08 pm

But you're neglecting the Strength of Schedule...

that's the difference in the example you cited...Cornell is playing in the Ivy League, which ranks #1 among all of the conferences, while The Valley is 9th on the conference list.

Same reason why no WCC teams have been in the top-25 most of the year...a brutal showing against other leagues is keeping them out.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 15)

Postby reptile on Fri Feb 24, 2012 7:22 pm

As far as the RPI, it takes a lot of work either way and though i dont get much love either i think it works good enough. In the end you have to win a good portion of your games to be ranked. In addition nothing really matters until March Madness, you cant win a championship by being ranked highly anyway. The only issue would maybe be with not making it due to the RPI system he is using. I dont know which side of the line i am to making it to the big dance, but i think i am flirting with it. At one point i was 1st in the Big 10 and undefeated against top 25 and i was ranked 48th, but i really dont mind it as i will get my chance in the dance if i make it there.

reptile wrote:I am still waiting for my game 27's to start. I have already messaged him and still havent heard anything back. I realize a few people have quit lately but they are against #21 ranked purdue so i dont know why he would quit if he was doing so well....


As far as this is concerned, out of the blue he joined his games today.
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Re: NCAA College Hoops 2011-12 — (update Feb. 23)

Postby musicalmaven on Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:48 am

this is to inform you that i won game # 10554849 - iona vs, colorado state (friesuschrist), for 2 of the 3 with 1 game left.
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