DKs CC Scrabble [Winner: got tonkaed]

by **SirSebstar** on Thu May 12, 2011 3:42 pm

i won the N

by **Dukasaur** on Thu May 12, 2011 5:48 pm

I was looking for this post and it took me forever to find it, so I'm reposting it at the end of the thread, and I'll edit it into the Phase 3 post on Page One of the thread as well.

Dukasaur wrote:This is the link to the current online version of the Scrabble dictionary.

I didn't realise until now that it has a word builder feature, so looking through other resources is no longer necessary.

by **Dukasaur** on Thu May 12, 2011 10:34 pm

SirSebstar wrote:Just FYI, this will tie me with waffles for 16 points, but that is only because i could not attack my lost K.
keyfast would be 17
I could make words with more then 7 letters, but i think thats not allowed..
Taking the K from me for 5 points is what made the draw.. at best.

however i am still looking for confirmation.. i believe its regulatory in the english scrabble rules, but does the TO concur?

bynempt does not appear in the Scrabble dictionary, at least the North American version. Is there a British version? I haven't been able to find it, but this is what I was asking earlier -- do European players get redirected to a different site when they go to the Scrabble website?

by **Dukasaur** on Thu May 12, 2011 10:49 pm

"Eveywhere" in hoopy_frood's writeup should be understood in the American sense of the word, since Scrabble is available in many different language versions. Even among English speakers, the standard dictionary used for official tournament Scrabble in the UK and Ireland is the Chambers dictionary, which has traditionally been favoured for word games over the various editions of the OED (generally, if unfoundedly, considered the most authoritative British English dictionary - professional writers and their ilk tend to go for the single-volume Longman or Collins English dictionaries, but I digress) because the latter list all their headwords with initial caps, making it difficult to distinguish proper nouns. Chambers also publish Official Scrabble Words, a definition-free wordlist drawn from the dictionary including all valid inflected forms of words from 2 to 9 letters, and Official Scrabble Lists, which lists words on the basis of various game-related criteria.

For transatlantic tournaments (including the anglophone version of the World Championships), players are allowed to use words from both British and American lists. In fact, both lists include both British and American spelling variants, but there are differences with the obscure two- and three-letter words that are so vital for tournament play.

The equivalent work for French-speaking Scrabble players, on both sides of the pond, is the Officiel du Scrabble published by Larousse under the aegis of the Fédération internationale du Scrabble francophone, which does include definitions.

(wikipedia)

TCD is widely used by British crossword solvers and setters, and by Scrabble players (though it is no longer the official Scrabble dictionary). It contains many more dialectal, archaic, unconventional and eccentric words than its rivals, and is noted for its occasional wryly humorous definitions. Examples of such definitions include those for éclair ("a cake, long in shape but short in duration") and middle-aged ("between youth and old age, variously reckoned to suit the reckoner").[2] These jocular definitions were removed by the publisher in the 1970s, but many of them were reinstated in 1983 because of the affection in which they were held by readers.

by **Dukasaur** on Thu May 12, 2011 10:57 pm

by **Dukasaur** on Thu May 12, 2011 10:59 pm

http://www.isc.ro/en/commands/lists.html

by **SirSebstar** on Fri May 13, 2011 3:04 am

Dukasaur wrote:
SirSebstar wrote:Just FYI, this will tie me with waffles for 16 points, but that is only because i could not attack my lost K.
keyfast would be 17
I could make words with more then 7 letters, but i think thats not allowed..
Taking the K from me for 5 points is what made the draw.. at best.

however i am still looking for confirmation.. i believe its regulatory in the english scrabble rules, but does the TO concur?

bynempt does not appear in the Scrabble dictionary, at least the North American version. Is there a British version? I haven't been able to find it, but this is what I was asking earlier -- do European players get redirected to a different site when they go to the Scrabble website?

There are 2 competing compagnies for scrabble. I indeed used the british bigger version.
http://wordsolver.net/ and then the eh option other then the usa version

by **SirSebstar** on Fri May 13, 2011 3:06 am

lol i read

standard Scrabble dictionary

and assumed the one used by the rest of the world...oops.
okay this sucks. not only was i not able to protect my high vanue k, but i also was challanging based on the wrong assumption. darn

by **SirSebstar** on Fri May 13, 2011 3:16 am

SirSebstar wrote:lol i read
standard Scrabble dictionary
and assumed the one used by the rest of the world...oops.
okay this sucks. not only was i not able to protect my high vanue k, but i also was challanging based on the wrong assumption. darn

going from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrabble
http://www.mattelscrabble.com/en/adults/index.html
sadly the firewall prevented me from taking the last one page.. i did see benempt in the US version though..but not bynempt which would have been obsolete. I understand the british version holds the larger database

found
http://crosswords911.com/bynempt.html
where it is stated as a word by the british scrabble assotiation

by **Dukasaur** on Fri May 13, 2011 9:02 am

I fell asleep last night while researching this and didn't finish my post.

Okay, bottom line is this:

For transatlantic tournaments (including the anglophone version of the World Championships), players are allowed to use words from both British and American lists.

Since CC has many players from Europe, it makes sense that we would allow both the British and American variants, just as the real transatlantic Scrabble tournaments do.

In Post 1 of this tournament thread,

Dukasaur wrote:The word must be in the standard Scrabble dictionary.

I did not, however, say "the Official Scrabble Dictionary as published by Hasbro", and it makes sense that our European players would assume that "standard Scrabble dictionary" means the British version. Here in North America, we are so accustomed to seeing the "Official Scrabble Dictionary" as published by Hasbro, that we don't even think that it might not be as "Official" as it claims, at least not in the rest of the world. It's unfortunate that there is no single "official" dictionary for the British version, but SOWPODS seems to be accepted by most as being the closest thing to it.

BYNEMPT is good.

by **SirSebstar** on Fri May 13, 2011 9:14 am

sweet.
fell asleep doing research?? been there done that. take a break! trust me ;-)

by **Dukasaur** on Sun May 15, 2011 8:47 pm

For the record:
SirSebstar successfully defended his W from thekidstrumpet on the WWII Poland map.
(Game 9028843)

SirSebstar simultaneously seized an N from ckyrias on the NYC map.
(Game 9025859)

by **xman5151** on Sun May 15, 2011 9:15 pm

PILAFF is my word

by **chapcrap** on Sun May 15, 2011 9:21 pm

Dukasaur wrote:Phase Three

So after all challenges are done, we have:
chapcrap M W N W O E D K
ckyrias R B R A D U F
SirSebstar P F S T E Y E M B W N
Gilligan A I U E P M U A A
get tonkaed I O S M A M U X I
Ir1sh Ace Y F B P B S W
Qwertylpc G T N P G U X E S
xman 5151 U P P F F I A L
Stringybeany A E A S E A G
thekidstrumpet B L S M O C N
uk massive O L N J M W A
dazza2008 P U G G Y
DoomYoshi S S A F F W L
Hannibal 19 C C C U U P
rmjw10 C C X U J N
xSekirei B T T C A S K

Thus far, the following words have been posted:
DoomYoshi WAFFLES (E is free vowel, therefore only 15 pts.)
Gilligan IPOMOEA (the Os were free vowels, therefore only 9 pts.)
xSekirei BACKS (13 pts.)
SirSebstar BYNEMPT (16 pts.)

Umm, SirSebstar is making up words. Bynempt is not a word.

My word is Midweek. Good for 17 points, but I used 2 vowels, so I'm down to 15.

However, I reserve the right to change my word after I look at the British dictionary since apparently it has made up words in it.

by **Dukasaur** on Sun May 15, 2011 9:37 pm

If you have not yet done so, please post your words.

by **Dukasaur** on Sun May 15, 2011 10:23 pm

chapcrap wrote:My word is Midweek. Good for 17 points, but I used 2 vowels, so I'm down to 15.

However, I reserve the right to change my word after I look at the British dictionary since apparently it has made up words in it.

Yeah it has quite a few that are not in our version.

by **qwertylpc** on Mon May 16, 2011 5:48 am

Qwertylpc - G,T,N,P,G,U,X,E,S

My letters Im using are EXPUNG & S

My word is Expunges=17 if allowed (7 of my letters plus an e for a total of 17 point)

If not, just Expunge=16 (17 points -the e)

by **SirSebstar** on Mon May 16, 2011 6:31 am

excellent, this way there will at least be a final battle....

by **got tonkaed** on Mon May 16, 2011 7:07 am

maxims.

ty ty

by **Dukasaur** on Mon May 16, 2011 7:22 am

got tonkaed wrote:maxims.

ty ty

Pulls into the lead with 17 pts!

by **SirSebstar** on Mon May 16, 2011 7:36 am

and thats game set and match

by **DoomYoshi** on Mon May 16, 2011 7:43 am

Great words everyone! I thouht Waffles would stand a bit better than it did though.

by **Dukasaur** on Mon May 16, 2011 7:49 am

DoomYoshi wrote:Great words everyone! I thouht Waffles would stand a bit better than it did though.

15 points is nothing to sneeze at. Not enough to win, but very respectable nonetheless.

I'm really pleased with how close it has been.

by **Dukasaur** on Mon May 16, 2011 10:37 am

Okay, I'm off to Noranda. I'll be back in probably 30 - 34 hours. Please post your words if you haven't already. If nobody can beat 17 points I'll declare a winner when I get back.