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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Gilligan on Fri Jan 30, 2009 7:16 am

G1 II wins over the Gray Matters in Game 4099657
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Shatners Bassoon on Fri Jan 30, 2009 11:42 am

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Gilligan on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:14 pm

Shouldn't G1 II's doubles have 2 points? :D
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Lindax on Fri Jan 30, 2009 3:27 pm

Gilligan wrote:Shouldn't G1 II's doubles have 2 points? :D


You're absolutely right Sir! Thank you ;)

It's corrected and the results are updated until now, see:

viewtopic.php?f=91&t=75528&p=1806402#p1806402

I also uploaded the maps and settings for all upcoming rounds (you'll find them in the same post as the results).

Team Captains: I still need player assignments for round 2 for several teams! Please pm them to me:

Round 2 Americas

S = single games, D = doubles games, Q = quad game

S1: Montreal escalating - sunny
S2: Charleston no spoils - fog
S3: San Francisco escalating - fog
S4: Treasures of Galapagos no spoils - fog
D1: Caribbean Islands flat rate - fog
D2: Canada escalating - sunny
D3: USA escalating - fog
D4: South America no spoils - sunny
Q: North America no spoils - sunny

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby amazzony on Fri Jan 30, 2009 6:42 pm

Game 4136297 - amazzony & KidWhisky bring doubles win to Generation One III :D
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby KidWhisky on Fri Jan 30, 2009 8:27 pm

Ohhh Yeaaa. Not a bad start. Of course I'm going to lose my 1v1 so I guess I shouldn't get excited
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Lindax on Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:39 pm

:lol: Updated

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Lindax on Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:05 pm

Hi all,

I think I need to clarify something about the following part of our tournament:

show: GAMES and POINTS


As you can see, the quad game has a fairly high score of 4 points. Originally I was going to have the singles and doubles games played and then play the quad game as best of 3. I decided against that because of the time factor, it would drag every round out by at least a few days if not longer. That's why I decided to set up one quad together with the other games and only in case it would be the deciding game, make it best of 3 and set up the other 2 quad games.

And if you think about it, the quad game is only one game, but counts for 4 points. That's why I decided to count the singles and doubles first, then apply the quad game. So, if the difference in score is less than 4 points, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, the quad game is the deciding game and thus automatically best of 3 and the 4 points will be given after that.

And, if the difference in score is 4 points after adding up the singles and doubles scores, and the team with 4 points wins the quad, it will be 8-8. The 4 points are given after the first game although the quad will also become automatically best of 3 to decide the winner of the round. The score will remain 8-8 though.

If the difference in points is more than 4, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, you play just 1 quad game for 4 points.

I could have chosen many ways to do this, however this is the way I decided. I did that after careful consideration of what is fair and not too time consuming and "test calculations" to see different outcomes.

You'll just need to keep in mind that you cannot celebrate yet if you win the quad game, because it may end up being best of 3. :mrgreen:

If the majority of you do not agree with this we can do it different, let me know.

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby KidWhisky on Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:51 pm

KidWhisky and amazzony bring another doubles win to G1 III in this game here Game 4136295
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby kingkoswyn on Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:29 am

Grey Matters wins over G1 II in Game 4099615

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby kingkoswyn on Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:20 am

The Grey Matters wins over G1 II in Game 4099652
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby jpcloet on Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:31 am

Lindax wrote:Hi all,

I think I need to clarify something about the following part of our tournament:

show: GAMES and POINTS


As you can see, the quad game has a fairly high score of 4 points. Originally I was going to have the singles and doubles games played and then play the quad game as best of 3. I decided against that because of the time factor, it would drag every round out by at least a few days if not longer. That's why I decided to set up one quad together with the other games and only in case it would be the deciding game, make it best of 3 and set up the other 2 quad games.

And if you think about it, the quad game is only one game, but counts for 4 points. That's why I decided to count the singles and doubles first, then apply the quad game. So, if the difference in score is less than 4 points, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, the quad game is the deciding game and thus automatically best of 3 and the 4 points will be given after that.

And, if the difference in score is 4 points after adding up the singles and doubles scores, and the team with 4 points wins the quad, it will be 8-8. The 4 points are given after the first game although the quad will also become automatically best of 3 to decide the winner of the round. The score will remain 8-8 though.

If the difference in points is more than 4, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, you play just 1 quad game for 4 points.

I could have chosen many ways to do this, however this is the way I decided. I did that after careful consideration of what is fair and not too time consuming and "test calculations" to see different outcomes.

You'll just need to keep in mind that you cannot celebrate yet if you win the quad game, because it may end up being best of 3. :mrgreen:

If the majority of you do not agree with this we can do it different, let me know.

Lx



So if I read this correctly, unless a team wins 75% of the singles and doubles, we'll be playing 3 Quads regardless? Double check the math but in order to only play 1 quad, you would have to take 9 or of the 12 points or more being 3/4 singles and 3/4 of the double 3*1+3*2=9 vs the 1*1+1*2=3. Given the teams in the tournament are skilled, I see a lot of quad play coming and the quad games really are the decider then for every series due to 4 points. Could you maybe reduce the quad to 2 points?
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Daryth on Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:13 am

Crouching Beaver win game Game 4099642

Also not sure Crouching beaver won 4099665 (not sure if this had been posted or not)

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Lindax on Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:52 am

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Lindax wrote:Hi all,

I think I need to clarify something about the following part of our tournament:

show: GAMES and POINTS


As you can see, the quad game has a fairly high score of 4 points. Originally I was going to have the singles and doubles games played and then play the quad game as best of 3. I decided against that because of the time factor, it would drag every round out by at least a few days if not longer. That's why I decided to set up one quad together with the other games and only in case it would be the deciding game, make it best of 3 and set up the other 2 quad games.

And if you think about it, the quad game is only one game, but counts for 4 points. That's why I decided to count the singles and doubles first, then apply the quad game. So, if the difference in score is less than 4 points, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, the quad game is the deciding game and thus automatically best of 3 and the 4 points will be given after that.

And, if the difference in score is 4 points after adding up the singles and doubles scores, and the team with 4 points wins the quad, it will be 8-8. The 4 points are given after the first game although the quad will also become automatically best of 3 to decide the winner of the round. The score will remain 8-8 though.

If the difference in points is more than 4, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, you play just 1 quad game for 4 points.

I could have chosen many ways to do this, however this is the way I decided. I did that after careful consideration of what is fair and not too time consuming and "test calculations" to see different outcomes.

You'll just need to keep in mind that you cannot celebrate yet if you win the quad game, because it may end up being best of 3. :mrgreen:

If the majority of you do not agree with this we can do it different, let me know.

Lx



So if I read this correctly, unless a team wins 75% of the singles and doubles, we'll be playing 3 Quads regardless? Double check the math but in order to only play 1 quad, you would have to take 9 or of the 12 points or more being 3/4 singles and 3/4 of the double 3*1+3*2=9 vs the 1*1+1*2=3. Given the teams in the tournament are skilled, I see a lot of quad play coming and the quad games really are the decider then for every series due to 4 points. Could you maybe reduce the quad to 2 points?


My original idea was to have everybody play the quad game the best of 3. It's a team league, so the team game is important. That's also why I gave it the 4 point value. The reason I set up only 1 quad game in the beginning is that it will not always be the decider and if it's not, playing one game is enough and saves time (this tourney will take long enough as it is). I have thought about making the quad worth 3 points, but decided against it.

What I will do from now on to avoid confusion is this: I'll set up all the singles and doubles games and only when they are finished I'll set up the quad game(s). If it's not the deciding match, I will just set up one game to see who gets the points. Remember that the points are not the most important, but the amount of wins over another team overall (per round) is what decides the winner. I agree that many quads will turn out to be the best of 3, but not all of them.

Anybody else have any thoughts about this?

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby dustin800 on Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:38 pm

Technically the quad game is the decider only if they win it. Otherwise you could say that our two doubles victories were the decider. In this case we have won 5 of 8 games and are on track to win the quad game as well giving us 6 of 9 games. Now despite winning 6 of 9 we have to play two more and if we lose them we lose the week despite winning over half the games and winning the original quad game anyway? This does not seem like an accurate gauge of who should win. If going in there is a tie or the team that won less games wins the quad I can see this being applied, but this seems wrong in the instance. I will post on the forum as well. What do you think Serbia since it is your team that is effected this week, but you could easily loose on the same technicality next week?

Lindax wrote:Hi all,

I think I need to clarify something about the following part of our tournament:

show: GAMES and POINTS


As you can see, the quad game has a fairly high score of 4 points. Originally I was going to have the singles and doubles games played and then play the quad game as best of 3. I decided against that because of the time factor, it would drag every round out by at least a few days if not longer. That's why I decided to set up one quad together with the other games and only in case it would be the deciding game, make it best of 3 and set up the other 2 quad games.

And if you think about it, the quad game is only one game, but counts for 4 points. That's why I decided to count the singles and doubles first, then apply the quad game. So, if the difference in score is less than 4 points, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, the quad game is the deciding game and thus automatically best of 3 and the 4 points will be given after that.

And, if the difference in score is 4 points after adding up the singles and doubles scores, and the team with 4 points wins the quad, it will be 8-8. The 4 points are given after the first game although the quad will also become automatically best of 3 to decide the winner of the round. The score will remain 8-8 though.

If the difference in points is more than 4, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, you play just 1 quad game for 4 points.

I could have chosen many ways to do this, however this is the way I decided. I did that after careful consideration of what is fair and not too time consuming and "test calculations" to see different outcomes.

You'll just need to keep in mind that you cannot celebrate yet if you win the quad game, because it may end up being best of 3. :mrgreen:

If the majority of you do not agree with this we can do it different, let me know.

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Lindax on Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:52 pm

dustin800 wrote:Technically the quad game is the decider only if they win it. Otherwise you could say that our two doubles victories were the decider. In this case we have won 5 of 8 games and are on track to win the quad game as well giving us 6 of 9 games. Now despite winning 6 of 9 we have to play two more and if we lose them we lose the week despite winning over half the games and winning the original quad game anyway? This does not seem like an accurate gauge of who should win. If going in there is a tie or the team that won less games wins the quad I can see this being applied, but this seems wrong in the instance. I will post on the forum as well. What do you think Serbia since it is your team that is effected this week, but you could easily loose on the same technicality next week?


It's the decider anyway dustin. Both teams need to win it to win the round. Have you read my explanation?

There are many ways to decide which team wins. The way I have decided to do it has been on display in the first post ever since I started this. Because there was some confusion about it I posted an explanation.

I am willing to change the way we do it, but that will have to be a unanimous (and very quick) decision by all involved. I don't see that happening though, precisely because there are so many different ways to do it. What I certainly will do is take all of the suggestions and remarks into account for the next edition of this tournament and maybe come up with a "better" way to do it.

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Lufsen75 on Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:32 am

Lindax wrote:
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Tournament started, January 24

I wonder if this means that you have to have this rank at start of every round or if it is enough when you started the tournament? I think that should change otherwise so you can play.
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Lindax on Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:46 am

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Tournament started, January 24

I wonder if this means that you have to have this rank at start of every round or if it is enough when you started the tournament? I think that should change otherwise so you can play.


Hi Lufsen,

The 1600 score you needed at sign up, if you go under that you can still play (Obviously the general idea is to let officers play as much as possible). The only exception is if your team cannot assign a minimum of 2 officers for any given round. In that case you still have the option of adding a player to your team who is an officer, or in the worst case, change a low ranked player for a new player who is an officer. Please run any changes in the team by me first.

I hope that clarifies it.

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby wrexham on Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:05 pm

What I certainly will do is take all of the suggestions and remarks into account for the next edition of this tournament and maybe come up with a "better" way to do it.


Personally I would have every game being worth just one point.
So, if you have an odd number games like you do ( 4 singles, 4 doubles & 1 quad = 9 ) there will always be a winning team and no need for any play off's.

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Lindax on Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:09 pm

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What I certainly will do is take all of the suggestions and remarks into account for the next edition of this tournament and maybe come up with a "better" way to do it.


Personally I would have every game being worth just one point.
So, if you have an odd number games like you do ( 4 singles, 4 doubles & 1 quad = 9 ) there will always be a winning team and no need for any play off's.

Wrex


Thanks Wrex. Keeping it simple always seems to work best. I will certainly keep that in mind.

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby jpcloet on Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:52 pm

Agreed, like Dustin800 said this just feels weird to take 3/4 of the singles, 2/4 dubs, the quads game for 11-5 win, yet having to play 2 more quads to confirm the win.
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Lindax on Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:08 am

To all players in this tournament,

Hereby I would like to apologize for the confusion about the application of the points of quad games and the effects of it on winning or losing a round to the opponent. I hope that by now all of you understand how it works. I also admit that it was probably not the best way to go about it and I will change the set up for next time. Thanks to those of you who gave me suggestions on this issue and I hope you will all understand that I cannot change it now, after some of the first round games have already been decided.
One thing I would like you all to consider: We are playing 9 rounds, and the way I have set it up affects all teams the same. One round it may work against your team, but in another round it may work in your team’s favor.

I sincerely hope we can put this issue behind us and get on with the tournament and, above all, enjoy it. There are only a few rounds left to play in the first round and the games for the second round will be sent out today.

Results, scores and standings are updated almost daily, see the tournament thread:

viewtopic.php?f=91&t=75528#p1806401

Again, my apologies for disappointing some of you and any other inconveniences. Hoping for your understanding,

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Bones2484 on Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:23 am

I say fix it now and restart the tournament. It's only one round in.

You're just going to get more and more complaints as it progresses. To me, I've already stopped caring (but I'll keep playing since I signed up).

edit: I'm even fine taking a loss in round 1, even though we shouldn't have, if it means fixing the corrupt scoring system for later rounds.
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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:02 pm

Lindax,

No apologies necessary mate - I think it's very straightforward and the scoring was made clear from the outset.

This is a tourney whose essence is team play - hence a squad of six and an emphasis on the quad game worth 4 points. You can see immediately which type of game you need to be strong in - the team quad. All too often in singles you get stiffed by a bad drop or starting second, so this tourney has taken into account that winning 4 of your 4 singles isn't that great. It's simply a point to a winning player, same as a quad awards a point to each of the winning members (theoretically).

It's a level playing field for all of us so don't look to change anything.

I've stood up from a poker table with less money than I started, but I don't look at the other player and say "But I won more hands than you did!". It's winning the important ones that matters most, and it's no different in this tourney.

Be grateful for the chance to play best-of-3 if you have to. Maybe in the next round it'll work to your advantage. The cream always rises to the top in the end :D

See you in the final

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Re: TLO 2009 - Round 1/9

Postby Bones2484 on Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:16 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:No apologies necessary mate - I think it's very straightforward and the scoring was made clear from the outset.


Of course it was, no arguments there. But that doesn't mean it can't be fixed. He realizes and admits the "mistake".

Chariot of Fire wrote: All too often in singles you get stiffed by a bad drop or starting second,


You're right. It's much better to have your teammates eliminated in Round 1 in a crappy map like New World even when you can deploy them everything you have to try to keep them up.

Chariot of Fire wrote:This is a tourney whose essence is team play - hence a squad of six and an emphasis on the quad game worth 4 points. You can see immediately which type of game you need to be strong in - the team quad.


Again, no arguments in your logic. But why have the other games then? You do realize that if you don't win the Quads game, you have to win either 4 singles and 3 doubles, or 4 doubles and 1 single? Might as well drop the useless crap and just play best of three quads. That's all that really matters anyways.
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