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Gilligan wrote:Shouldn't G1 II's doubles have 2 points?
Lindax wrote:Hi all,
I think I need to clarify something about the following part of our tournament:
As you can see, the quad game has a fairly high score of 4 points. Originally I was going to have the singles and doubles games played and then play the quad game as best of 3. I decided against that because of the time factor, it would drag every round out by at least a few days if not longer. That's why I decided to set up one quad together with the other games and only in case it would be the deciding game, make it best of 3 and set up the other 2 quad games.
And if you think about it, the quad game is only one game, but counts for 4 points. That's why I decided to count the singles and doubles first, then apply the quad game. So, if the difference in score is less than 4 points, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, the quad game is the deciding game and thus automatically best of 3 and the 4 points will be given after that.
And, if the difference in score is 4 points after adding up the singles and doubles scores, and the team with 4 points wins the quad, it will be 8-8. The 4 points are given after the first game although the quad will also become automatically best of 3 to decide the winner of the round. The score will remain 8-8 though.
If the difference in points is more than 4, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, you play just 1 quad game for 4 points.
I could have chosen many ways to do this, however this is the way I decided. I did that after careful consideration of what is fair and not too time consuming and "test calculations" to see different outcomes.
You'll just need to keep in mind that you cannot celebrate yet if you win the quad game, because it may end up being best of 3.
If the majority of you do not agree with this we can do it different, let me know.
Lx
jpcloet wrote:Lindax wrote:Hi all,
I think I need to clarify something about the following part of our tournament:
As you can see, the quad game has a fairly high score of 4 points. Originally I was going to have the singles and doubles games played and then play the quad game as best of 3. I decided against that because of the time factor, it would drag every round out by at least a few days if not longer. That's why I decided to set up one quad together with the other games and only in case it would be the deciding game, make it best of 3 and set up the other 2 quad games.
And if you think about it, the quad game is only one game, but counts for 4 points. That's why I decided to count the singles and doubles first, then apply the quad game. So, if the difference in score is less than 4 points, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, the quad game is the deciding game and thus automatically best of 3 and the 4 points will be given after that.
And, if the difference in score is 4 points after adding up the singles and doubles scores, and the team with 4 points wins the quad, it will be 8-8. The 4 points are given after the first game although the quad will also become automatically best of 3 to decide the winner of the round. The score will remain 8-8 though.
If the difference in points is more than 4, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, you play just 1 quad game for 4 points.
I could have chosen many ways to do this, however this is the way I decided. I did that after careful consideration of what is fair and not too time consuming and "test calculations" to see different outcomes.
You'll just need to keep in mind that you cannot celebrate yet if you win the quad game, because it may end up being best of 3.
If the majority of you do not agree with this we can do it different, let me know.
Lx
So if I read this correctly, unless a team wins 75% of the singles and doubles, we'll be playing 3 Quads regardless? Double check the math but in order to only play 1 quad, you would have to take 9 or of the 12 points or more being 3/4 singles and 3/4 of the double 3*1+3*2=9 vs the 1*1+1*2=3. Given the teams in the tournament are skilled, I see a lot of quad play coming and the quad games really are the decider then for every series due to 4 points. Could you maybe reduce the quad to 2 points?
Lindax wrote:Hi all,
I think I need to clarify something about the following part of our tournament:
As you can see, the quad game has a fairly high score of 4 points. Originally I was going to have the singles and doubles games played and then play the quad game as best of 3. I decided against that because of the time factor, it would drag every round out by at least a few days if not longer. That's why I decided to set up one quad together with the other games and only in case it would be the deciding game, make it best of 3 and set up the other 2 quad games.
And if you think about it, the quad game is only one game, but counts for 4 points. That's why I decided to count the singles and doubles first, then apply the quad game. So, if the difference in score is less than 4 points, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, the quad game is the deciding game and thus automatically best of 3 and the 4 points will be given after that.
And, if the difference in score is 4 points after adding up the singles and doubles scores, and the team with 4 points wins the quad, it will be 8-8. The 4 points are given after the first game although the quad will also become automatically best of 3 to decide the winner of the round. The score will remain 8-8 though.
If the difference in points is more than 4, after adding up the singles and doubles scores, you play just 1 quad game for 4 points.
I could have chosen many ways to do this, however this is the way I decided. I did that after careful consideration of what is fair and not too time consuming and "test calculations" to see different outcomes.
You'll just need to keep in mind that you cannot celebrate yet if you win the quad game, because it may end up being best of 3.
If the majority of you do not agree with this we can do it different, let me know.
Lx
dustin800 wrote:Technically the quad game is the decider only if they win it. Otherwise you could say that our two doubles victories were the decider. In this case we have won 5 of 8 games and are on track to win the quad game as well giving us 6 of 9 games. Now despite winning 6 of 9 we have to play two more and if we lose them we lose the week despite winning over half the games and winning the original quad game anyway? This does not seem like an accurate gauge of who should win. If going in there is a tie or the team that won less games wins the quad I can see this being applied, but this seems wrong in the instance. I will post on the forum as well. What do you think Serbia since it is your team that is effected this week, but you could easily loose on the same technicality next week?
Lufsen75 wrote:
I wonder if this means that you have to have this rank at start of every round or if it is enough when you started the tournament? I think that should change otherwise so you can play.
What I certainly will do is take all of the suggestions and remarks into account for the next edition of this tournament and maybe come up with a "better" way to do it.
wrexham wrote:What I certainly will do is take all of the suggestions and remarks into account for the next edition of this tournament and maybe come up with a "better" way to do it.
Personally I would have every game being worth just one point.
So, if you have an odd number games like you do ( 4 singles, 4 doubles & 1 quad = 9 ) there will always be a winning team and no need for any play off's.
Wrex
Chariot of Fire wrote:No apologies necessary mate - I think it's very straightforward and the scoring was made clear from the outset.
Chariot of Fire wrote: All too often in singles you get stiffed by a bad drop or starting second,
Chariot of Fire wrote:This is a tourney whose essence is team play - hence a squad of six and an emphasis on the quad game worth 4 points. You can see immediately which type of game you need to be strong in - the team quad.
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