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The 3456 League [WINNER: dcc1220]

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Postby DimnjacarStef on Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:02 am

I'd like to play
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Great tourny .. lets do it again

Postby wpg27offsuit on Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:34 am

Great tourny - the people in my division played well.. were VERY tough opponents... great sports - the format was nice - I think the changes outlines will make for a better "version 2" of the tourny..

Count me in...
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Postby Optimus Prime on Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:14 am

Hmmmm......I would have to give some more thought into giving a commitment to that many games at a time in March, but I do like the new format. I wonder if I would like to play the original format a little more than the new one though. I enjoyed the 3456 League immensely and thought it only need a few changes to make it really shine.

I'd like to see what everyone else has to say first before making a final decision I think.

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Postby Godd on Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:16 pm

If you tweeked the points a little it may be better
You Have
8p: 15/12/9/7/5/3/1/0
7p: 12/10/7/5/3/1/0
6p: 10/7/5/3/1/0
5p: 9/7/4/1/0
4p: 8/5/1/0
3p: 6/3/0
2p: 4/0

where if a winner got 2 points per player in a game it would even out and due to the earlier rounds in the larger games anyone can be eliminated before any real series game plays come in, should not get as many points

look as these to consider-
8p: 16/12/8/6/3/2/1/0
7p: 14/10/7/3/2/1/0
6p: 12/9/6/2/1/0
5p: 10/7/3/1/0
4p: 8/5/1/0
3p: 6/3/0
2p: 4/0
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Postby Gozar on Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:33 pm

I really liked this league, the games were all pretty hotly contested and the format was great.

My only suggestion is to perhaps stagger the games a bit, but I believe this was discussed already.
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Postby Dazoot on Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:00 pm

Really enjoyed it and would gladly sign up again.
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Postby pjdonald on Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:04 pm

Standings updated 1/4.
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Postby dcc1220 on Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:57 pm

Fantastic tournament pjdonald. The finals have been well played by all, challenging and very appropriately frustrating, LOL. :D
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Postby bob72 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:08 am

I'd like to play so long as the the tournament avoided the dreaded World 2.1 map. If any of you wonder why here is the answer

Yes it is a game from the 3456 league

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=935710
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Postby dcc1220 on Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:15 am

Game 1271019

1st dcc1220
2nd wolfmaster
3rd pjdonald
4th Godd
5th inonzuk
6th hschroed78
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Postby pjdonald on Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:37 pm

Standings updated 1/8/08
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Postby dcc1220 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:00 am

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Postby pjdonald on Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:43 pm

1/9/08
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Postby pjdonald on Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:48 pm

There are 5 games left

Mongol
Rail USA
Merchants
Tamriel
Classic - like that's a sufficient description. 1363752

I'll post my analysis on the good faith that if dcc reads it he won't act in bad faith in the Mongol game.

I think he and I are the only ones with a chance to win the league. But my chance is pretty remote. He has 84 points, with 4 more guaranteed, which will get him to 88. I have 69, and can get a maximum of 92. Godd can max at 79. I didn't calc anyone else's.

Since I have virtually no shot in 1 of my 3 remaining games (Tamriel), and only a faint shot in another (Classic), its almost time to crown dcc the champ.
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Postby dcc1220 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:00 pm

Game 935710 OVER (finally)

That's right folks, I believe this is the last pre-lim game.

1st dcc1220
2nd kendoh99 (round 113 )
3rd InkLOsed (round 112 )
4th bob72 (round 68 )
5th NormalGuy (round 57 )

Phew!!!
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Postby dcc1220 on Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:07 pm

pjdonald wrote:There are 5 games left

I'll post my analysis on the good faith that if dcc reads it he won't act in bad faith in the Mongol game.



I don't think I could hurt you in that game even if I wanted to. In fact if I suicided into you, it might just prompt the other two to hit each other and help you overall. :D

However, this brings up an excellent question of sportsmanship. In a tournament like this, should players play each game logically for it's own sake, or consider the standings when deciding whom to attack?

I have played each game as a seperate battle and have not targeted an opponent based on the overall standings. At one point I became upset with Godd because he was hammering me in several games. He explained that he had to because I had taken a lead in the overall standings and he needed to make up points by making sure I was eliminated before him. I had fogotten the point situation at the time and understand why he did it, though I disagree with that strategy.

I feel the goal should be to win each individual game, not finished 2nd to another's 3rd. This is just something to think about as you set up the next tournament. With my way of thinking the point differential should be higher between 1st and 2nd to encourage players that the win is how they advance to the final or win the tournament.

Do you have a list of standings in terms of wins? Are the results the same?

(LOL, I just realized this is very similar to the argument in NASCAR standings)
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Postby pjdonald on Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:35 pm

dcc1220 wrote:
pjdonald wrote:There are 5 games left

I'll post my analysis on the good faith that if dcc reads it he won't act in bad faith in the Mongol game.



I don't think I could hurt you in that game even if I wanted to. In fact if I suicided into you, it might just prompt the other two to hit each other and help you overall. :D

However, this brings up an excellent question of sportsmanship. In a tournament like this, should players play each game logically for it's own sake, or consider the standings when deciding whom to attack?

I have played each game as a seperate battle and have not targeted an opponent based on the overall standings. At one point I became upset with Godd because he was hammering me in several games. He explained that he had to because I had taken a lead in the overall standings and he needed to make up points by making sure I was eliminated before him. I had fogotten the point situation at the time and understand why he did it, though I disagree with that strategy.

I feel the goal should be to win each individual game, not finished 2nd to another's 3rd. This is just something to think about as you set up the next tournament. With my way of thinking the point differential should be higher between 1st and 2nd to encourage players that the win is how they advance to the final or win the tournament.

Do you have a list of standings in terms of wins? Are the results the same?

(LOL, I just realized this is very similar to the argument in NASCAR standings)


This is a very interesting question as I set up the 2-8 League. You lay out the argument very well for concentrating the points at the top. The counter-argument is to draw out the competition, give everyone a chance to stay alive longer, and reduce the probability of dropouts.

Everyone who advanced to the finals had the most wins in Round 1. You have the most wins in the finals. Optimus Prime is the only one who moved up significantly without a corresponding win total. He finished 2nd in points but 5th in wins.

The dropout argument is not very compelling to me, but 3456 worked pretty well with that structure.
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Postby pjdonald on Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:25 pm

Sign-ups for 2-8 League are underway. Come on over.
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