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Postby billval3 on Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:41 pm

Let's not forget that just because there are dice involved, that does not make Risk a game of chance. It takes a lot of strategic skill to plan a win despite the possibility of having bad dice.

I don't like the concept that 1 army always defeats 1 army because that's not at all like real life. It just seems like you're simplifying the game too much by making that kind of a rule.
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Postby dilbertofaus on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:49 am

I'm with you Fruitcake. Adds a different element to the game, and makes the game purely strategic. I think this would give players the option of "the gamble of the die" or a "pure strategy" game.

I personally enjoy the luck of the roll due to the unknown element, but the use of cards as you say would add this option to the pure strategy game.

Like your thinking. Got my vote.
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Postby insomniacdude on Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:41 pm

dilbertofaus wrote:Adds a different element to the game, and makes the game purely strategic.


...no it doesn't. It just means the variables of luck have an even bigger impact than before: drop, play order, and (if you're playing with them) cards.
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Postby pascalleke on Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:04 pm

:shock:
maybee its time you find yourself another game to play if you dont like playing risk with the dice :lol:
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Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:05 pm

Fun or not, it still doesn't seem like Risk.
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:20 pm

I guess as an option, I think it takes the Risk part out of Risk though
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Postby Audax on Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:33 pm

insomniacdude wrote


It just means the variables of luck have an even bigger impact than before: drop, play order, and (if you're playing with them) cards.


How? If you remove one variable, it does not mean other variables suddenly get greater...They still remain the same. The cards are still the same, the drop and the order. They don't suddenly change because dice are not involved.

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maybee its time you find yourself another game to play if you dont like playing risk with the dice


Yeah, like risk without dice. Sorry to seem flippant but I really cannot see any real arguement in that statement for or against. Like fruitcake says, the essence of the game is strategy. Luck plays a part. Reduce some of the luck element by removing dice, skill becomes a greater part.

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Fun or not, it still doesn't seem like Risk.


That's cool, we are all entitled to an opinion. I think it does. That is my opinion.
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Postby God255 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:14 pm

Yeah, that sounds great. Lets have a no dice game option. I'm all for this.
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Postby BaldAdonis on Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:33 pm

BaldAdonis wrote:Let's play a game right now. Since you don't need dice, the entire game can be done by writing down your moves, once you know the starting position. You could play by mail! (like Diplomacy, but with fewer rules)

Better yet, head over to forum games, and play there. Then you can figure out your strategies, and it doesn't have to affect anyone who wants to play CC.
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Postby wcaclimbing on Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:35 pm

I like it :D
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Postby Fruitcake on Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:56 pm

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Better yet, head over to forum games, and play there. Then you can figure out your strategies, and it doesn't have to affect anyone who wants to play CC.


It is interesting that the voting so far shows those who do want this option are rising as fast as the opposite.

I have had many pms from people who have asked how they can help keep pushing this along.

please remember, we are all members, so we all deserve respect and reasonable levelled discourse.

Lastly, your comment is most odd. To say 'it doesn't have to affect anyone who wants to play CC' is EXACTLY what I am saying....that is why I am putting forward as an option!!! I do not go round all those who do or dont want maps I never play on saying go and play your game elsewhere, that would be conceited, condescending, supercilious, self important and insulting...wouldn't it?
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Postby pimphawks70 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:05 pm

THIS IS A RISK WEBSITE AND DICE ARE PART OF RISK... CHANGING THIS WOULD BE RETARDED!!! :D :D :D :D :D
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Postby BaldAdonis on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:08 pm

Fruitcake wrote:Lastly, your comment is most odd. To say 'it doesn't have to affect anyone who wants to play CC' is EXACTLY what I am saying

You're saying you want it to be considered as a game like CC, which is not what I want to see. When I click on your profile and see that you've won x% of games, I don't want those to be no dice games anymore than I want them to be forum mafia or trivia games (or "guess which number I'm thinking of" games), insofar as they give no information about how well you play Risk. If you want to play this no dice style, you can do it just as well by posting your moves in the forum (see Forza AZ's Doodle Earth tournament), because you don't need any of the site's Risk capabilities (since you're not playing Risk anymore).
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Postby Audax on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:38 pm

You're saying you want it to be considered as a game like CC, which is not what I want to see. When I click on your profile and see that you've won x% of games, I don't want those to be no dice games anymore than I want them to be forum mafia or trivia games (or "guess which number I'm thinking of" games), insofar as they give no information about how well you play Risk.


Wow...how arrogant are you man???? (which is not what I want to see....lol)

Since when was fog of war a risk game???? NEVER until CC.

How do you know what I play to check whether you want to play me....oh yes, you look at the page kindly supplied by the site which shows you!!!!

I am stunned at the sheer obstinate attitude of some...here, get this...the world evolves, the world moves, adapts and changes.

What is being asked for is an option, not something you HAVE to do. If this became an option, you would have to do one thing....click the dice box rather than the no dice box. How difficult is that?

Hear hear Fruitcake...anything I can do to drum up support, you have my resources at your disposal.
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Postby General K on Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:56 pm

I voted yes... dice sucks most times in here!
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Postby uzless on Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:27 pm

the dice are for sure way too streaky.

Anything to take away the blatant streakiness would be appreciated
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Postby Risktaker17 on Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:41 pm

No dice sounds like an awful idea, it takes away at a major essence of Risk. I think it will destroy much of the gameplay. I believe it wouldn't be fun, it would be a waste of time

I voted yes as an option because I know there are others with differing views
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Postby Mr_Adams on Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:28 pm

Umm... I believe this has been suggested before, and I supported it. this thread has more momentum, so of corse I'll support it again :D
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Postby BaldAdonis on Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:03 am

Audax wrote:Since when was fog of war a risk game???? NEVER until CC.
Fog of War is used in a lot of Risk games where the capability exists. Every Hasbro computer version has it, and it's not a (drastically) different game, you just lose some information.
How do you know what I play to check whether you want to play me....oh yes, you look at the page kindly supplied by the site which shows you!!!!
My point is about the records of the games. Since this is an entirely different game (not a probabalistic game, but a solvable game), the records should not be combined with your record on real games. The page doesn't sort game types, so it would not be useful.
What is being asked for is an option, not something you HAVE to do. If this became an option, you would have to do one thing....click the dice box rather than the no dice box. How difficult is that?

Hear hear Fruitcake...anything I can do to drum up support, you have my resources at your disposal.
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Postby DirtyDishSoap on Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:09 pm

This would be a great option, and a greater challenge.
Voted yes :D
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Postby Fruitcake on Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:48 pm

DirtyDishSoap wrote

This would be a great option


And that is the nub of the matter.

I would never try to deny anyone what they wanted to do, I always try to keep an open mind. This is just an option I have put forward.

So far, it seems many have agreed.
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Postby Paddy The Cat on Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:56 pm

of course, i have to say no-risk is ALL about the dice, they make it fun, sure losing 10 on 2 sucks, but the thrill of winning 50 on 45 and still having 30 left is awesome

if your looking for a game that is 100 percent strategy, this is not the game for you, go play chess
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Postby TheTheft on Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:06 pm

since it is optional i say yes if you want to play a diceless game then you can if you want to play the old fashioned way then you can
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Postby BaldAdonis on Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:23 pm

Fruitcake wrote:So far, it seems many have agreed.
And you're still not addressing any of the issues of people who disagree. That is, me. Suggestions don't go through just because they get 51% of votes.

TheTheft wrote:since it is optional i say yes if you want to play a diceless game then you can if you want to play the old fashioned way then you can

If you want to play no dice, you already can. Make up a game and post your moves. You don't need any dice, so you don't need an actual game. Making it an option only makes the stats that are meant to indicate a player's skill more meaningless. Imagine a game option where you can win 100% of the games where you have a better drop (as well as a portion of the ones where you don't, since not everyone plays optimally), and you'd never have to think about the moves. You could write a script to win games for you while you sleep. It wouldn't take much work to solve this game type on a map like Doodle Earth, where there are only 17 million starting positions (in a 2 player game), and only one system of moves. Throw in a script that automakes speed games and you'd be set.
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Postby Fruitcake on Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:04 am

BaldAdonis wrote

And you're still not addressing any of the issues of people who disagree. That is, me. Suggestions don't go through just because they get 51% of votes.


Goodness..that is a pretty subjective statement....the words 'that is me' kinda cut you out as someone who really has problems here. I have addressed many issues. Some by pm, some on this board. Your writing is starting to sound like the strident harpie stamping her feet because she is not getting her way....notwithstanding the way you are so strident in tone I have this to say.

You keep mentioning standard moves etc etc...do you ever play mulit player, if so, how can you keep shouting about standard moves, programs etc etc...

Not 51% but 56% (as at time of writing, obviously the yes camp is growing) reckon this would be good. Your statement about 100% this, drop that, scripts etc is truly disturbing. Furthermore, your quote above has a ring of someone who would not accept the vote of the majority ever...if it disagreed with your version of the world....odd really. Yet you demand I pay your questions attention...

I have already said. I play this a great deal all ready. I must be the most stupid man around, obviously nowhere near your intellectual level, because I have never managed to work all this out after 25 years+ of playing non dice games.
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