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Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:01 am

Note paired with this suggestion, for upper ranks:
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Allow lower ranked players to limit upper ranks from joining their games. It might be offered as a "premium only" option. If so, you might offer it as a trial option for people who have not yet played 25 games.

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To qualify, you must be currently no higher than Sergeant, and have NEVER reached Captain or above. Would not apply to Tournaments, Battles Royale or BETA maps. Might or might not be allowed for holiday/special maps. There might be an exclusion for "approved mentors", in mentor programs.

If you fall in the above categories, you can exclude anyone who is ranked Captain or above from your games. The exclusion would automatically be removed if you go up in rank. Initially, when a person first goes above Sergeant, they would be kicked off, but them be allowed to exclude again once they dropped back in rank. However, once they hit Captain, they would no longer be allowed to exclude at all. This last is to keep "sandbaggers" from using this to their gain.

If offered as a trial option, people would have the option of excluding higher ranked players for their first 25 games, then they would have to buy premium if they wanted to continue to exclude. This limitation would have to be explained (maybe in a quick pop up) or people would miss out, not knowing it exists.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
This is about having games that are fun and competitive, learning experiences rather than just massacres. Unlike other suggestions, this one should encourage newbies. It might be offered as a "premium only" option. If so, you might offer it as a trial option for people who have not yet played 25 games.



I am far less concerned about upper ranks occasionally losing to lower ranked players due to "luck" or "sandbagging" (a good player that intentionally loses to go down in rank), because even though the system is not perfect, skill pretty much does outweigh luck in those cases. Its not so much that there is NO problem, just that any fix is worse than the "problem" of higher rank people occasionally losing lots of points to lower rank, if for no other reason than that higher ranked players have generally been here long enough to figure out how to "work the system", finding ways to generally limit lower ranks when they wish to do so.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby DoomYoshi on Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:44 pm

The upper cutoff should be major, not captain.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 5:57 pm

That is changeable.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:51 pm

Here is a stat for you. Think about it. What % of people with 2000 points or more JOIN games with people with 1400 or less?

Now take that % and ask this question, what % of those people who do JOIN games actually consistently play those games? Whenever I play Speed games, I am constantly looking for Freestyle games. I love Freestyle games, and this would hamper my ability to do so.

So you're saying if a Corporeal creates a 6 person Feudal War game, that only people 1999 and below can join? That's ABSURD! It's basically telling me what games I can/cannot play.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby patrickaa317 on Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:36 pm

Not interested. Ranks change based on what people are playing. I have hovered at major for quite a while but lately I am playing a lot more random games so I'm stuck between the 1550-1900 point mark. I feel on some maps I can play just as well as anyone despite my current rank being #3577.

Rank is too generally based to try to do something so narrowed down.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Aug 04, 2013 5:23 am

I can agree with Patrick's point. My map rank stats show - I am incredible at Stalingrad, Jamaica, Poker Club, Hive, Treasures of Galapagos; which are highly specialized maps. However, I am not so good at large maps like NYC, which keeps my points down. I usually feel like quitting CC anytime I get a NYC game, so if you want free points, come play me.

This would create a big hamper for the map microcommunities. Why should there be a schism for us Hive-trenchers?
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby greenoaks on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:27 am

i think it is awesome someone who does not play any games here knows how to fix CC.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:06 am

greenoaks wrote:i think it is awesome someone who does not play any games here knows how to fix CC.


To whom are you referring?
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby greenoaks on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:08 am

DoomYoshi wrote:
greenoaks wrote:i think it is awesome someone who does not play any games here knows how to fix CC.


To whom are you referring?

Player, scroll up. it is her thread.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:04 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:Here is a stat for you. Think about it. What % of people with 2000 points or more JOIN games with people with 1400 or less?

Now take that % and ask this question, what % of those people who do JOIN games actually consistently play those games? Whenever I play Speed games, I am constantly looking for Freestyle games. I love Freestyle games, and this would hamper my ability to do so.

So you're saying if a Corporeal creates a 6 person Feudal War game, that only people 1999 and below can join? That's ABSURD! It's basically telling me what games I can/cannot play.

You have it backwards. You would be able to join any game you wish, but you can prohibit higher ranks from joining your games if you wish.

Also, it is NOT mandatory, it would be an option.

And, as to who in the upper ranks joins lower rank games.. basically any farmer, and a few other decent folks. I would play higher ranked people, particularly in the more unusual maps frequently.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:08 pm

greenoaks wrote:i think it is awesome someone who does not play any games here knows how to fix CC.


try again.... lol, played over 10,000 games here.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:12 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:I can agree with Patrick's point. My map rank stats show - I am incredible at Stalingrad, Jamaica, Poker Club, Hive, Treasures of Galapagos; which are highly specialized maps. However, I am not so good at large maps like NYC, which keeps my points down. I usually feel like quitting CC anytime I get a NYC game, so if you want free points, come play me.

This would create a big hamper for the map microcommunities. Why should there be a schism for us Hive-trenchers?


This is NOT MANDATORY. It is merely an option.

I, too, play variety maps more than the "standards". All this would do is allow lower ranks to specify whether they wanted upper ranks to join or not.. and ONLY if they stay low rank. If you "bounce around" the scoreboard, then it would not apply.

Basically, this would not do much for someone like you. The people it would help are many of those who wind up disgusted and leave because they don't want to get slaughtered constantly and don't want to devote the time to SOC or something similar.
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Re: Increasing competition, lower ranks.

Postby patrickaa317 on Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:03 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I can agree with Patrick's point. My map rank stats show - I am incredible at Stalingrad, Jamaica, Poker Club, Hive, Treasures of Galapagos; which are highly specialized maps. However, I am not so good at large maps like NYC, which keeps my points down. I usually feel like quitting CC anytime I get a NYC game, so if you want free points, come play me.

This would create a big hamper for the map microcommunities. Why should there be a schism for us Hive-trenchers?


This is NOT MANDATORY. It is merely an option.

I, too, play variety maps more than the "standards". All this would do is allow lower ranks to specify whether they wanted upper ranks to join or not.. and ONLY if they stay low rank. If you "bounce around" the scoreboard, then it would not apply.

Basically, this would not do much for someone like you. The people it would help are many of those who wind up disgusted and leave because they don't want to get slaughtered constantly and don't want to devote the time to SOC or something similar.


If someone gets slaughtered constantly in this game, they should realize either to play less complicated maps or to revise their strategy. Noone with half a decent amount of strategy should continue to get slaughtered on maps like classic, if you do, then this site is simply not for you. Allowing people to limit on ranks won't fix this. What will is posting in the callouts section, joining games rather than creating games (then you can pick your opponent), or taking the time to go through SOC. If they don't want to "devote" their time to benefit their own gameplay, I don't think we should "devote" development time to put something like this in.

I don't mean to continue to bash your suggestions here player, keep them coming.
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Option to select which Ranks can enter your Speed Game

Postby nietzsche on Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:50 pm

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Option to select which Ranks can enter your Speed Game

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Select by Minimum rank and Maximum rank.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

I believe one of the reasons for the decline in the number of speed games available at most times of the day is due to the fact that high ranked players who play mostly casual have been bitten in the ass in the past, losing to lowed ranked players.

I'm aware this has been discussed in the past, but imagine this: Lots of high ranked players wishing to play a 1vs1, waiting behind the fence to join a speed game, but no one wants to start a game because it will be joined by player that has skill but has a low rank at the moment.

If you could put those high ranks behind the fence to play together, whats the harm? The "shoutbox" suggestion was not implemented either, it could serve the purpose also.

This could also serve low ranks, who feel comfortable in games playing with guys with the same skill.


Before you reject and archive this, give it a little bit of thought, not everybody thinks like you you know.

And look at speed games, look at how many games high rank start and play, but discount the freestylers, they don't care about rank, they are all about the speed.
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Re: Option to select which Ranks can enter your Speed Game

Postby rhp 1 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:06 pm

dumb....

back to the drawing board... though I think it's adorable people actually care about points...
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Re: Option to select which Ranks can enter your Speed Game

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:07 pm

Locking this topic for a little while so you two can cool down.
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Re: Option to select which Ranks can enter your Speed Game

Postby blakebowling on Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:15 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:Locking this topic for a little while so you two can cool down.

I've taken care of it.

Unlocked.
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Re: Option to select which Ranks can enter your Speed Game

Postby codierose on Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:59 am

love it +1 for me.
but you might find 4+ player games will never fill but i might be wrong.
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Re: Make games require minimum or maximum points/rank [REJEC

Postby georgizhukov on Thu Sep 05, 2013 11:40 am

I am for a rating restriction of some sort. Why should players who pay to play the game have to endure new recruits who are playing for free and don't even know the rules.
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Re: Make games require minimum or maximum points/rank [REJEC

Postby betiko on Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:41 pm

How many suggestions is it going to take to make the admin change his mind? Also we have a new admin, has it even been asked again?
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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

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