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Re: Specify a minimum rating to join a game

Postby BrutalBob on Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:52 am

Most of the people i have seen with low ratings of 3 or less generally deserve them
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Re: Specify a minimum rating to join a game

Postby MeDeFe on Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:24 am

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BrutalBob wrote:Concise description:
    When creating a game you can specify a minimum rating (not rank) of players that can join.

Considering how poor the rating system is and how different people use it I don't think making a block based upon it is a good idea at all. Would also need to start moderating the ratings to prevent abuse and that I can't see happening.

Word. The ratings system is broken, hardly anyone uses it the way it's intended to be used and those who do face hostility and are reported in C&A. And then warned for using the rating system as it was intended to be used.


BrutalBob wrote:Most of the people i have seen with low ratings of 3 or less generally deserve them

Considering that 3 is average, 3 is (or should) not be bad at all.
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Re: Specify a minimum rating to join a game

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:28 pm

I would agree with this suggestion if the ratings had any merit. Currently, most people either rate just to get their trophy, rate all 5's or don't rate at all.

Let's FIX the rating system before we use it this way.
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Re: Specify a minimum rating to join a game

Postby Halmir on Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:35 pm

Aha the rating system works perfectly - for the moderators! By making it largely pointless (for reasons mentioned above) it cuts out thousands of vindictive whinges about "he said that" or "he made us lose the game" and subsequent flaming. And cos of that extra workload on the Mods u have very little chance of such a thing happening.

If you want to meet some fun players, your best bet is to be chatty during the game, and add anyone who seems fun to your Friends list. U can then invite them to a bunch of private games, and/or tell them to bring their friends also. This cuts out any potential disruption from random noobs. I'd suggest you balance about half your games with your posse, against half in general publics looking for fun opponents. Works for me!
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Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby HighlanderAttack on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:27 pm

Not sure if it could be done, but it seems to me every time I have someone that has a rating of lower than 4.5 join a game I have issues with them being and a-hole. It sure would be nice to add something to your profile that automatically foes or does not allow low rated people to join.

The rating system basically is easy enough that when you see someone with less than 4.5 they probably have major issues. Anyone under a 4.0 is a true loser to society in most cases.
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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby owenshooter on Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:58 pm

go to Suggestion... however, this has been suggested multiple times... I would suggest you go to call outs to look for or crate the type of games you want... good luck...-0
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Minimum Rank...

Postby KraphtOne on Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:44 am

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Apparently 4 man feudal freestyle is cat nip for noobs... needs to be a way to only allow a certain rank to join your game... w/out having to make it private

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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby sully800 on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:47 am

This suggestion has existed since the start of the site and has been consistently rejected. If you set rank limits to enter games then generally there wouldn't be any games available to new recruits other than games already filled with new recruits. This creates a much harder learning process for new players and is not a good way to initiate them to the site.

On a darker side, setting rank limits could enable farmers to specifically target new recruits with much less effort (and much less chance that a high ranking player sneaks in anyway).

So the point is, there won't be any rank discrimination as a site option. You are free to invite specific ranks to your private games, but you already know that I can see.
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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby Kotaro on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:53 am

Sully's right, but at the same time, TeamCC keeps accusing people who love Feudal War of being farmers, and yet refuses to recognize that Feudal War is too complicated for n00bs and needs to be on the block list.

Get off your ass lack.
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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby jefjef on Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:58 am

Kotaro wrote:Sully's right, but at the same time, TeamCC keeps accusing people who love Feudal War of being farmers, and yet refuses to recognize that Feudal War is too complicated for n00bs and needs to be on the block list.

Get off your ass lack.


Correct. Any non-standard play maps (I.E. those with bombards) should be noob blocked.

Simple as that.

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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby 72o on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:00 pm

I don't know about this... there are too many idiots that rate people stupidly. For instance, Mommy2Jesse. She rates you a 1 for attitude if you don't put anything in the game chat. That's stupid. My rating is barely over a 4.5 because of crap like this.
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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby slowreactor on Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:15 pm

Can we merge the at least 100 threads of noob-less feuds please?
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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby obliterationX on Wed Sep 23, 2009 3:05 pm

Just rape them anyway, regardless of rank.
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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby Thezzaruz on Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:09 pm

72o wrote:She rates you a 1 for attitude if you don't put anything in the game chat. That's stupid. My rating is barely over a 4.5 because of crap like this.


Hmmm.....

Attitude: Covers behaviour in chat, foul language, sore losers, gracious winners, "great chatters!", whining about luck, etc...


A "1" for not saying anything might be a bit harsh but it's not far off tbh, and it's a much more accurate rating than the "normal" "5" for sure. :D
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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby Woodruff on Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:34 pm

sully800 wrote:This suggestion has existed since the start of the site and has been consistently rejected. If you set rank limits to enter games then generally there wouldn't be any games available to new recruits other than games already filled with new recruits. This creates a much harder learning process for new players and is not a good way to initiate them to the site.


See, I disagree...I think it's similar to the promotion system that European soccer uses...you play those at your level and you either graduate to a better level, lower to a worse level or stay put...but always playing those at your level.

sully800 wrote:On a darker side, setting rank limits could enable farmers to specifically target new recruits with much less effort (and much less chance that a high ranking player sneaks in anyway).


How, without it being painfully obvious (and thus easy for the ban-hammer to hit when reported)?
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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby Thezzaruz on Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:38 am

Woodruff wrote:
sully800 wrote:On a darker side, setting rank limits could enable farmers to specifically target new recruits with much less effort (and much less chance that a high ranking player sneaks in anyway).

How, without it being painfully obvious (and thus easy for the ban-hammer to hit when reported)?


Because sully has missed the obvious "any limit should be a +/- range from the game creators rank" part of this. Would be pretty stupid if you could set a limit that would enable yourself to not be allowed in your game. :roll:




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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby 72o on Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:21 am

If you think that 5 is not an accurate rating, you shouldn't assume that people with an average lower than 4.5 are people you shouldn't play.
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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby KristenAmazon on Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:23 am

Post below lol.
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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby KristenAmazon on Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:25 am

I feel like my 4.3 rating is somewhat influenced by the 1/1/1 that a "Darthvadar" left for me simply because I could not play realtime risk. What's funny is that he was online when I attacked him. He had time to deploy and everything, my stack then beat his stack after he deployed it (so that he couldn't deploy or reinforce anything else) while I had 8 men left. He called me a "cheap ass bitch" and left me all 1s :-( I had asked if he was interested in playing realtime at a time where I would be available for a few minutes but I made it clear I understood that 24 hour play was 24 hour play. Idunno. I like to think I'm a relatively pleasant player. :D
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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby jefjef on Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:34 am

Do not put too much emphasis on ratings.

You have those out there giving 3 almost exclusively.

Those who believe that ratings are to be given in comparison to other players instead of as individual performance as it is intended to be.

You have those that revenge rate. Due to losing or just not liking you or your avi or cuz they take offense to you questioning why they made a stupid ass move & lost the game for both of you.

You have those that rate poorly cuz you attack them AFTER they attacked you.

CC wouldn't let us to put rank limits in to join games. Imagine this will not be allowed either.
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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby Thezzaruz on Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:27 am

72o wrote:If you think that 5 is not an accurate rating, you shouldn't assume that people with an average lower than 4.5 are people you shouldn't play.


Never said I do. ;)


jefjef wrote: CC wouldn't let us to put rank limits in to join games. Imagine this will not be allowed either.


IMO a rank limit would be better in every way, the ratings are just so misused that it hardly gives us any info at all.
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Re: Setting to not allow low ratings to join

Postby obliterationX on Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:29 am

Absolutely no way.

The ratings system is already open to severe abuse, and making exclusive games based on your rating would only increase said abuse.
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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby KraphtOne on Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:12 am

Thezzaruz wrote:Because sully has missed the obvious "any limit should be a +/- range from the game creators rank" part of this. Would be pretty stupid if you could set a limit that would enable yourself to not be allowed in your game. :roll:


Ok that sentence is more brilliant than it seems...

In setting a rank limit for a game it would apply to everyone in the game...

So there would be no way to noob farm because if i have a rating of 4000 i would have to set the game to minimum rank X to maximum rank 4000 or else i couldnt play :0)

Great Idea and absolutely no reason not to be able to do this...

Cooks could open up games and not have to worry about majors joining them...

Send It In ...
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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby jammyjames on Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:43 am

no need for the maximum score krapht. just a setting saying ranks. i.e have to be ranked sarg...major. col etc etc
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Re: Minimum Rank...

Postby sully800 on Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:24 am

KraphtOne wrote:
Thezzaruz wrote:Because sully has missed the obvious "any limit should be a +/- range from the game creators rank" part of this. Would be pretty stupid if you could set a limit that would enable yourself to not be allowed in your game. :roll:


Ok that sentence is more brilliant than it seems...

In setting a rank limit for a game it would apply to everyone in the game...

So there would be no way to noob farm because if i have a rating of 4000 i would have to set the game to minimum rank X to maximum rank 4000 or else i couldnt play :0)

Great Idea and absolutely no reason not to be able to do this...

Cooks could open up games and not have to worry about majors joining them...

Send It In ...


I agree that it's a very good idea to say the minimum allowed rank is your own rank. That effectively prevents farming, and is a good solution.

But the other half of the problem still exists: New recruits would find themselves only with low ranking players and therefore would have a worse initial experience and be less likely to remain on the site. At least, that has been the prevailing opinion for the last 3 years and it's why this suggestion has never been implemented.

I understand the concept that you should be able to beat people at your own level before moving up and playing the next level - on many levels it makes sense. But it also segregates the score board and could prevent low ranks from joining a lot of games and that is something CC has been wary of from the get go.
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