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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby Thezzaruz on Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:09 am

Dangerous-Die wrote:Also, lets be frank, most people would be reasonable.


Well that is one of the problems with this. People aren't even close to reasonable (if they where we'd still be able to surrender :mrgreen:) and every rule is used and abused.

lack seemed to have the idea of doing a restriction based on avg rating but that was before the rating system meant all 5's. ;)
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby Scott-Land on Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:08 pm

Dangerous-Die wrote:A debate might end the debate - - if you know what i mean.

I have only just hit major, and i am protective.

More interestingly, look at the games that the top 100 players are in. THE VAST percentage are played WITHIN the top 100 players. This MUST be frustrating for them and also most importantly means that they are not playing lower rankers at all ANYWAY......



I recall you were in my games as a striper not too long ago-- now you're isolating low ranks because you're a major ? [-X #-o
Ohh how quickly we forget.....
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby RashidJelzin on Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:27 pm

The price we pay for power, is our very soul...
Or something along that line. Anyhow-- just to remind you DD-- a Major used to be Captain, not too long ago. And as prestigous as the swords may look like-- they only stand for 2000 points- you lose, you average at losing less than 20 points.
For what it's worth- check the Callouts section... lots of Private Games being offered only for certain ranks and up.

I had a hard time refraining from responding to your self- jubilation in the GD section, though.
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby Joodoo on Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:18 pm

I'm simply not a supporter of rank segregation...
So I say NO to this idea
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby wenny on Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:39 pm

i like the idea, as i hate losing to low rankers who dont understand and decide to play silly. We all have to learn somewhere i know but there is enough low rankers to play. i dont think you should be able to choose what level u will or wont let into a game, it should be half or your score either way and should be an option when creating a game, this would work as if u stop low rankers coming into the game u also stop higher ranking players aswell, lowering risk but also lowering the potential points won.
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby FabledIntegral on Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:49 pm

I agree with this suggestion - if you don't want to play with someone, you don't want to play with them. Simple as that. You're hosting the game, the specifications should be made towards YOUR likings, not everyone else's. Otherwise, they can host their own games. Ridiculous that a host should be forced to play with people they don't like, especially because people currently ALREADY get around this by dropping games and rehosting when people they don't want join.

CC has just made it a more tedious task than necessary, which is one of my largest complaints about this site.
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby cicero on Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:36 pm

I, the same as many of you, can see where the OP is coming from.
Equally, as others have said, this basic idea has been rejected before ... [link someone?]

To make this basic idea into a lack-attention-grabbing suggestion we need to refine it ...
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby themxz on Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:52 am

I strongly support this idea.

If we're worried about less experienced players not being able to level up I could support limiting it to premium members (as a first choice option) and second choice option being only allowing a certain percentage of games to be played under the minimum rank flag.

The other similar option to minimum rank that would be nice is a rank range option so you don't get David vs. Goliath type matchups.
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby sensfan on Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:14 am

i say NO
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Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby wicked on Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:32 pm

Concise description:
  • On the Game Finder page, add options to select rank(s) for searches. This was previously brought up by Loudawg here, but he didn't use the form, so it didn't go anywhere.

Specifics:
  • Add checkboxes with the rank insignia, with the allowance for multiple selections as the rest of the page is. Make sure to include the ? rank. This would pair nicely with the proposed Game Finder page redesigns, suggested by others in this forum.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • Note this would not be used to exclude ranks from joining games, it's simply a means to find the ranks you want to play with more easily than scanning pages of search results.
  • Would help those who prefer to play around their own rank, would also help those looking to improve their play by finding games with higher ranks.
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby t-o-m on Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:36 pm

if wicked says it it must be good.
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby Androidz on Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:38 pm

I love it:D
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby porkenbeans on Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:22 pm

wicked wrote:Concise description:
  • On the Game Finder page, add options to select rank(s) for searches. This was previously brought up by Loudawg here, but he didn't use the form, so it didn't go anywhere.

Specifics:
  • Add checkboxes with the rank insignia, with the allowance for multiple selections as the rest of the page is. Make sure to include the ? rank. This would pair nicely with the proposed Game Finder page redesigns, suggested by others in this forum.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • Note this would not be used to exclude ranks from joining games, it's simply a means to find the ranks you want to play with more easily than scanning pages of search results.
  • Would help those who prefer to play around their own rank, would also help those looking to improve their play by finding games with higher ranks.
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby FabledIntegral on Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:28 pm

I agreee with this suggestion. If you're the host of the game you should be able to decide who you want to play with.
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby scottp on Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:27 pm

ABSOLUTELY! I'm surprised this isn't already an option in the game finder... or some plug-in...
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:45 am

I suspect someone is going to ask that this be expanded to a "not" option. (I am playing devil's advocate here, not an option I would use .. but I think its best to deal with both sides "up front").

That is, you can look for folks who are luietenant OR you can look for a game without any cooks (yet). Since this is just a search, it would not exclude anyone, would just make it easier.

The plus side is it might stem some of the complaints about playing with cooks.

The down side is it might give "legitimacy" to those who think cooks should be excluded.

Again, I am not sure that I would use either (the postive or negative search) option here. For one thing, unless the game is a 2 player (and there are rarely more than 1 page of those anyway) OR already filled, it won't tell you who is actually going to be in the game.

I think a better way to get this information is to allow a search based on the number of open spaces left in a game. If you find games with only 1 or 2 openings, then you do have a decent idea of how the ranks, etc. will "shake out". Since there are rarely that many games with just 1 opening, it will already be easy to search. This was already suggested in another thread, though.
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby stlcard1521 on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:30 am

itd be nice but dont they usually shoot stuff like this down?
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby wicked on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:32 am

No, only stuff that promotes excluding certain ranks from joining games would be shot down, which is why I clarified this doesn't. lack just doesn't really go through this forum anymore to actually approve things, so it'll just sit like a lot of other good suggestions.
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby Timminz on Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:50 am

This is a suggestion that pops up fairly regularly here. It has been rejected every previous time. I can't see Lack changing his mind about it now. As others have mentioned, there are threads in the Callouts forum for private games involving only people above certain scores. If you'd like to play against only people of similar rank, you should go check out that forum.
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby gdeangel on Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:15 am

There was only one post by Lack on this... and it was pretty general at best. I quoted it once, but I can't find it now. The concern seemed to be that this would make it too difficult to gain points for new players, who may be skilled but simply start at 1000, which is somewhat below the median score I think. Anyway, its a fair concern; if done wrong, this could kill the ability to attract new players.

Imagine that you can limit that only Briggadiers can join your games. That would mean you would be cut off from challenge by most of the site, and even though people do that a bit now with PM's and private games, making that phenomenon public would not be good for morale. Every search would bring back tons of games that were "rank blocked" if you tried to play someone with a higher rank.

In order to preserve the "climb the ladder" model, I say staunchly that the way this needs to be implemented is in a tier system. And the cutoff point for any tier that someone can select has to be BELOW, but not too much below, their own current rank. i.e., colonels should not be able to limit to colonels, but only perhaps captains and higher. Captains should not be able to limit to captains, but perhaps sergeants and higher. anyone 1000 and below would not have the option to limit games for obvious reasons.

Perhaps since lack's original post was a while back, and now the site shows that it is creaking at the seams, maybe growing the player base should no longer be a top priority. I'd like to think it's still important though. I'll try to find lack's old post ...

Here we go... check the last one. It's from back in 2006.

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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby ahunda on Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:48 am

I support the idea. I think, I actually requested it once myself.

You can discuss all you like, but the simple fact is: Those, who only want to play opponents of a certain rank, already do so. There are plenty of players hosting their own private games with minimum point requirements. To introduce this as an option when starting a game would only make it easier to start, find & join these games. With other words: Customer friendly ... ;)

And by the way: Here a low ranked player complains about a high ranked team joining his/her team game "for easy points" and spoiling the fun of the game for his/her team of casual / not competitive players. It´s not the first time, that I heard a complaint like that. So I imagine, that the option to exclude players above a certain rank from your games, especially team games, would appeal to quite a few low ranked players as well.
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Re: Minimum rank to join games option

Postby gdeangel on Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:17 pm

Nice term - "bunny thumping". I think the concern with higher ranks joining is only applicable in a team game, and then it's not so much that the team is high ranked, as it is they play together nearly exclusively and troll around looking for weak people who have not played much team games and/or look like easy points. It's more of a personality thing that a points thing. Because the foe list can do the job of stopping from being bunny thumped more than once by the same person, and honestly there are not that many bunny thumping out there, I don't think a max join score needs to be added. Might just confuse people...
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby suggs on Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:36 pm

wicked wrote:No, only stuff that promotes excluding certain ranks from joining games would be shot down, which is why I clarified this doesn't. lack just doesn't really go through this forum anymore to actually approve things, so it'll just sit like a lot of other good suggestions.


LOL -then what is the point of this forum?
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:15 pm

I think this is a good suggestion. As an addendum, I would also like to see the ability to "limit by rating". When the ratings were first implemented, it was stated that this was going to happen...but it hasn't. I'm frankly sick of playing in games where half of the opponents drop out from the beginning. Between the rank and the rating limits, this could be easily avoided (for the most part).
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Re: Add Rank to Game Finder Searches

Postby suggs on Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:45 pm

Yep, this is a great suggestion. I'd like to allocate some of my premium money to this being implemented.
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