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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby TheForgivenOne on Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:57 am

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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby Crazy Frog on Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:49 pm

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Rank Filter

Postby donkeymile on Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:40 pm

I can't figure out why the site wouldn't implement a rank filter, as I see it on so many other game sites, whether it be cards or otherwise.

A simple game setting when a game is being set up where one can set the lowest rank they will allow to join the game. Not only is it really annoying for a higher rank to lose 50-100 points to a low rank, but I have found that often times when I play a cook or something similar the game just isn't enjoyable even if I win it (and gain 5 points).

Of course there are exceptions to that rule and there could be an option to not rank filter the game as well.

There are times I want to play a 1v1 speed but won't because I don't want to lose a million points, but even more importantly, I want to play a higher rank because its usually more enjoyable from a strategy standpoint.

This really isn't a hard thing to do from a programming standpoint.
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Re: Rank Filter

Postby Woodruff on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:36 pm

donkeymile wrote:I can't figure out why the site wouldn't implement a rank filter, as I see it on so many other game sites, whether it be cards or otherwise.

A simple game setting when a game is being set up where one can set the lowest rank they will allow to join the game. Not only is it really annoying for a higher rank to lose 50-100 points to a low rank, but I have found that often times when I play a cook or something similar the game just isn't enjoyable even if I win it (and gain 5 points).

Of course there are exceptions to that rule and there could be an option to not rank filter the game as well.

There are times I want to play a 1v1 speed but won't because I don't want to lose a million points, but even more importantly, I want to play a higher rank because its usually more enjoyable from a strategy standpoint.

This really isn't a hard thing to do from a programming standpoint.


The reason has nothing at all to do with programming. The reason is that the site stubbornly and irrationally holds on to the idea that if they were to do so, it would cause all of the new players to have nobody to play against...which is an idea that is patently absurd on the face of it.

That aside, there are even better ways to accomplish the same idea, but not using rank. Instead, use points and allow the settings to be "ranged" by a certain percentage above or below the game-creator's rank at the time the game is created (the specific range to be used to be figured out by someone much more intelligent on the math than myself).
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby TheForgivenOne on Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:19 pm

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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby JoshyBoy on Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:23 am

What TFO said. How many more times will people have to be told that rank segregation of any kind is not going to happen. Rejected.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby Qwert on Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:34 pm

by JoshyBoy on Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:22 pm

I apologise for the double post, but wouldn't a better suggestion be something like "New recruits can only play a maximum rank of Private 1st Class for the first 5/10 games" for example? You would make this automatic, don't ask me how , and then once they have finished 10/20 games, they can play up to a Sergeant 1st Class until they have completed 15/20 games. Then once they have played that amount of games they "unlock" the officer ranks. lol I sound like Queen_Herpes.

That sort of idea would be more feasible surely?

*edit* fastposted by Daggerheart, thanks. *edit*

I think that you are close to solution,Instead to rank segregacion, why dont create rank limitation for new NR, you all ready have rank restriction for first 5 games,right, So why dont create rank limitation for first 10 finished games,so that NR can play with maximum Lieutenant, and when these 10 game finished,then NR can play with all ranks, in these way we will avoid farming from high ranked players, and NR can get in these first 10 games,introducing with low and moderate ranks, and they can learn first steps of playing Risk in CC,instead to be invite and kick from High ranked players, who to be honest,dont want to show nothing to NR,and only want to take hes points easy. I think that in these way you will get impact into Scoreboard,and that number of active players will grow(or maybe lack are satisfy with 20000 active players?)
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby donkeymile on Thu Jan 13, 2011 10:26 pm

It's a nice compromise.

The fact they are dragging their feet in resisting this is dissapointing.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby Qwert on Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:33 am

well i can open new sugestion topic with these idea,because these is not rank segregacion,its rank limitation for new recruits, if mods agree.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby hmsps on Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:17 am

Whats the point of having a suggestions scheme if the hierarchy just say no. Classic democracy and thats why people get peed off with farming both setting up and joining lower ranks. I think the owner/leader is very autocratic in this respect.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby JoshyBoy on Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:23 am

qwert wrote:well i can open new sugestion topic with these idea,because these is not rank segregacion,its rank limitation for new recruits, if mods agree.


Queen_Herpes has pretty much covered this idea I believe.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby Qwert on Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:51 pm

can you give me link to these-you can lost in sea of sugestions,
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Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby JelleR on Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:10 am

I'm not a snob and I do enjoy playing games with lower ranks for sure, but sometimes I just want to match my wits with players of equal or greater skill. Now, I do have the option of seeking out a game with a password in callouts and try to get a game going that way. Its still a hassle to get the pw though and I feel that people are not using the callouts section enough.

I think a very good option would be adding the following option when creating a game:

Minimun number of points required.

You could for example put it at 1600 and everyone that matches that score would be able to join automatically. There is no need to ask for passwords or first look at the callouts section to see if there any games macthing your needs. You can do this now through the game finder option and see which games require 1600 points or more. To clarify, you should be able to change the number of points required at your convenience.

I think this benefits the community in multiple ways:

1) You can more easily play with the opponents you would like to play with, no need to send out invites or put up a post in callouts.

2) You can see more easily which games fit your criteria.

3) As a result, more games are being played.

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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby Arama86n on Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:23 am

Thoughts;
Sorry to be "that guy", but I regret to inform you that similar things have been suggested countless times and ignored/rejected. We that occasionally want to be "snobs" as you so delicately put it have the option to use password protected games and post them in callouts, various user groups, or simply invite friends.

I'd say the smoothest option is finding a user-group that is dedicated to the type of games you like to play, seeking admittance and posting games there (such groups usually have a standard password for convenience, as does the point-restricted threads in call outs.)

If as you say you only do this some of the time, and otherwise play public games it shouldn't be such a huge hassle aye?
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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby JelleR on Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:37 am

I'm aware of the other options to get similar ranks in your games.

However, whenever I want to play a quick speed game on a simple map I'm simply flooded by lower ranks that are just clicking buttons. Thats not my type of fun.

I think my option "cuts out"time and saves players some hassle. You can easily find the type of game you look for by using the gamefinder and you dont have to look through dozens callout posts only to see its not your type of game or that it is already filled.

Can you link me to similar suggestions? I looked for them but couldnt find them.

In any case, thnx for your reply.
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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby Arama86n on Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:49 am

I have no objection to your suggestion, I see no great reasons why something along those lines can't be implemented, was just trying to inform you, in case you weren't aware, that it's been suggested before and will most likely be ignored/rejected so don't get your hopes up.

And sorry, I'm not interested in digging in the archives for someone else no ;) If your lucky someone else more adapt at working the search function will stop by and help you with that.

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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby JelleR on Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:00 am

Hey fair enough. I'm digging myself, too.

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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby Darwins_Bane on Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:03 am

There are a couple of them that I can see at a glance in the rejected section. The main reason this gets rejected is because it isn't fair to segregate ranks. If you are truly of the rank that you have, then you should have no problem keeping it no matter the opponents. That being said, I know where you're coming from, but until a decision is made by the admins to change the rank segregation rules, it just won't go through.
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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby hmsps on Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:28 am

Well since it keeps coming up should admin not look at changing things, as i have said on several occassions this could work in another way. Say for example a lower ranked player wants to gain experience by playing someone around his skill level, then he could set an upper limit. This would benefit them and when they get their skills up they could up their own individual limit. It does make me wonder why the powers that be are so against this? It is just an option people do not have to use it!!
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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby greenoaks on Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:39 am

but they will use it

as soon as they have a score they think is worth protecting they will segregate themselves from those beneath them

this shouuld not be implemented, ever
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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby hmsps on Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:32 am

greenoaks wrote:but they will use it

as soon as they have a score they think is worth protecting they will segregate themselves from those beneath them

this shouuld not be implemented, ever
So you are saying that some higher ranked players on here 'never' play lower ranked players for points. Just do a games search. If u can set up a game with some options why not be allowed to set up a game with further options. Its called blue sky thinking!!
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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby JelleR on Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:56 pm

greenoaks wrote:but they will use it

as soon as they have a score they think is worth protecting they will segregate themselves from those beneath them

this shouuld not be implemented, ever


Even if this would happen, the worst players of a certain group (say, 1600+) would have to drop down because they cant maintain their score. It should be obvious why.

Anyway, I think you are stretching. This wont happen, people will still play with lower ranks even when they have a certain score. Having the option to easily start a game with certain ranks w/o having to bother w/ setting up a passworded game and looking over the process of getting people in is not detrimental to the games. To the contrary imo, I think you will see a riuse in the number of games because of this ease.

Why I want these games? Sometimes I want to play with people that behave a bit more rational. AFAIK, I'm not the only one. Therefor I think it should at least be considered.

Lastly: I must be blind but I cant find the rejected suggestions in the archive?
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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby JelleR on Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:58 pm

Darwins_Bane wrote:There are a couple of them that I can see at a glance in the rejected section. The main reason this gets rejected is because it isn't fair to segregate ranks. If you are truly of the rank that you have, then you should have no problem keeping it no matter the opponents. That being said, I know where you're coming from, but until a decision is made by the admins to change the rank segregation rules, it just won't go through.


I also want to react on this.

Rank segregation is already a fact. See the callouts section, glance through the games that most majors and up play. This option is about setting those type of games easier and for a wider audience.
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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby 40kguy on Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:08 pm

this is an awful idea. cooks wouldn't be able to play in any games.
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Re: Adding a "Minimun number of points required" option.

Postby Fattyschippy on Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:36 pm

40kguy wrote:this is an awful idea. cooks wouldn't be able to play in any games.


Agreed...to play like a pro, learn with the pros.
And think of the feeling of rejection every time I saw a point restricted game :cry:
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