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Re: a way of adding everyone of a certain rank

Postby para on Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:42 pm

Kotaro wrote:Because you have people that think this site should be more "fair". Where the dice should play no part and it should be 100% skill. Which is not ConquerClub (almost typed in RISK :P)

Ignore their bitching. The Foe list is your friend.


are you saying you dont care for skill?


and i think everyone realizes 100% skill is unrealistic.
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Minimum Skill Level For Games

Postby jtrydz on Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:42 pm

Why not let players creating games determine a minimum level (Number or rank) to join the game? As a 2400 point major, I am sick of creating games and seeing them fill up with cooks, cadets, and privates. These players have little grasp of appropriate strategy and often times ruin the game blindly attacking for no apparent reason. Additionally, many lower level players have admitted to a strategy whereby they specifically target the higher ranked players, irrelevant of the current game status. The theory goes that if they lose to a player of similar stature, they don't lose a ton of points... but if they win, they gain a lot more points by having beaten the higher ranked player - so all low ranked players should immediately try and take out the higher ranked players. This strategy is unfair to the higher ranked players, yet I see it employed often.

Why can't I setup a game that you need to be a Sergeant or above to join? Surely this additional modification would not require intense code changes and it would offer encouragement for players to reach higher skill levels while allowing those at the higher skill levels to compete with players of like ability. Certainly you could add criteria that the highest rank you can specify is at, or just below your own level...
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Re: Minimum Skill Level For Games

Postby killmanic on Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:35 am

Just make private games and invite the people you want to join. In addition in the callouts forum there are threads for games for people with 1800+, 2000+, 2500+ and perhaps a few others also, if you want games with people your rank this is one way to get them.
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Re: Minimum Skill Level For Games

Postby Artimis on Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:15 am

jtrydz wrote:Why can't I setup a game that you need to be a Sergeant or above to join? Surely this additional modification would not require intense code changes and it would offer encouragement for players to reach higher skill levels while allowing those at the higher skill levels to compete with players of like ability. Certainly you could add criteria that the highest rank you can specify is at, or just below your own level...


...and encourage even more elitist points snobbery than we already have, no thank you. As per killmanics reply, private games are the way to go if you want to restrict who joins your games.
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Re: Minimum Skill Level For Games

Postby owenshooter on Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:39 am

Artimis wrote:
jtrydz wrote:Why can't I setup a game that you need to be a Sergeant or above to join? Surely this additional modification would not require intense code changes and it would offer encouragement for players to reach higher skill levels while allowing those at the higher skill levels to compete with players of like ability. Certainly you could add criteria that the highest rank you can specify is at, or just below your own level...


...and encourage even more elitist points snobbery than we already have, no thank you. As per killmanics reply, private games are the way to go if you want to restrict who joins your games.


private games and/or games in callouts that have rank and/or point requirements...-0
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Re: a way of adding everyone of a certain rank

Postby mccallan25 on Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:32 pm

Great idea! Once again posted. Look at my games over the last 3 months. After having pissed off someone two weeks ago I get noobs that join one game, never take a turn and ruin the speed of the game. Of course they always join with in secs/minutes of each other. They get foed but still doesn't keep him from doing in every game I have going.

It needs to be an option. If you don't like the option don't join the game.
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Re: a way of adding everyone of a certain rank

Postby obliterationX on Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:44 pm

Would be great for me (and I'm sure many others), but then again I doubt it would be implemented since cooks would find themselves unable to join any games! :)
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Re: a way of adding everyone of a certain rank

Postby Artimis on Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:58 pm

Nice in theory, crap in practice. It'll just make it oh so much easier for the hardcore farmers if they could mass foe everyone above Private. At least with the current arrangement they can only foe by typing in names in the manage foes page or by clicking the Add Foe link on a profile. It's labour intensive for them to foe the first 40 or so pages of the scoreboard at current, lets not make it any easier for them, ok? ;)
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Re: Minimum Skill Level For Games

Postby jtrydz on Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:32 am

...and encourage even more elitist points snobbery than we already have, no thank you.

What are you talking about? It's not elitist, it's that some people know how to play the game, others are idiots. Most of the lower ranking players who have played hundreds of games yet remain cooks and cadets simply don't "get it" and as such, ruin a lot of the fun for the rest of us. Do you think it's luck that the high ranking players get that high?
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Re: Minimum Skill Level For Games

Postby killmanic on Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:17 am

jtrydz wrote:...and encourage even more elitist points snobbery than we already have, no thank you.

What are you talking about? It's not elitist, it's that some people know how to play the game, others are idiots. Most of the lower ranking players who have played hundreds of games yet remain cooks and cadets simply don't "get it" and as such, ruin a lot of the fun for the rest of us. Do you think it's luck that the high ranking players get that high?

Wow that is very elitist answer. I know some people who are low ranked and great players, and know higher ranked players who really suck at the game. Rank means nothing, I have seen people be brigs one day and cooks the next, so are they really bad at the game or did they want to lower their rank? Also i have seen a someone who plays with less skill then 99.9% of the people on the site, and yet they learned how to play 1 type of map with certain settings and got up to brig, and yet now that they need to play new settings their score has been in a freefall. So is the one player who really isnt a good player better then the person with a low score who is normally very good?
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Re: Minimum Skill Level For Games

Postby The Neon Peon on Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:07 am

I would like this suggestion and use it frequently to play only against high ranks, but there is a problem.

Although it does NOT lead to rank segregation seeing as the top of the scoreboard is so minute and there would be way more games for law ranked players, it leads to not being able to bridge the gap from one rank games to another.

The most common mistakes low ranks make is not playing against high ranks. They have no input of strategy in their game if a cook does not want to play with anyone above cadet so that they have a high chance at winning. So if you completely shut out even the choice for them to play high ranks (seeing as most of high ranks would use this) then the low ranks will have a much harder time actually learning how to play.
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Re: Minimum Skill Level For Games

Postby Jeff Hardy on Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:25 am

killmanic wrote:Just make private games and invite the people you want to join. In addition in the callouts forum there are threads for games for people with 1800+, 2000+, 2500+ and perhaps a few others also, if you want games with people your rank this is one way to get them.

what if people like playing quick 1vs1s?

i have everyone who was a cook a week ago (almost 2000 players) on ignore list because i dont like them joining my games, this would prevent people having to do stuff like that
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Re: Minimum Skill Level For Games

Postby The Neon Peon on Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:40 am

Jeff Hardy wrote:
killmanic wrote:Just make private games and invite the people you want to join. In addition in the callouts forum there are threads for games for people with 1800+, 2000+, 2500+ and perhaps a few others also, if you want games with people your rank this is one way to get them.

what if people like playing quick 1vs1s?

i have everyone who was a cook a week ago (almost 2000 players) on ignore list because i dont like them joining my games, this would prevent people having to do stuff like that

Just wondering, how many PMs do you get in your inbox from doing that?

It is the reason I undid mine.
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Re: a way of adding everyone of a certain rank

Postby para on Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:30 pm

Artimis wrote:Nice in theory, crap in practice. It'll just make it oh so much easier for the hardcore farmers if they could mass foe everyone above Private. At least with the current arrangement they can only foe by typing in names in the manage foes page or by clicking the Add Foe link on a profile. It's labour intensive for them to foe the first 40 or so pages of the scoreboard at current, lets not make it any easier for them, ok? ;)


in that case have the different options be "private and down" or "sgt and down" for what they foe. as this would be the only practical, agreeable way to do it the first place.
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cap on ranks

Postby soka on Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:50 pm

Concise description:
    Limit Ranks

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    option in control panel ...to limit certain rank in joining a games . if im a chef i can put a cap on a rank who can join my game ...like privates and lower .... or serg first class and above if i am a major ...or none if you dont mind playing any type of player

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
    stopping whiners who think they are getting picked on and stopping farmers ...giving a fair chance to players
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Re: cap on ranks

Postby the.killing.44 on Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:54 pm

The plug-in Map Rank has this option.

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Re: cap on ranks

Postby White Moose on Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:50 am

the.killing.44 wrote:The plug-in Map Rank has this option.

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Nope.
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Re: cap on ranks

Postby Fuzzylogic99 on Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:39 am

been suggested b4 and been rejected
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Re: cap on ranks

Postby The Neon Peon on Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:01 am

Foe all those of the rank you do not wish to play.
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Re: cap on ranks

Postby Jeff Hardy on Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:06 am

i remember suggesting this not too long ago...
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Re: cap on ranks

Postby kiddicus maximus on Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:45 pm

I was wondering the same thing. Not that my rank is impressive, but I'd rather play against people who are similar in rank until I get the hang of some of the tougher maps.

Maybe just on the 'over' on the rank? For instance, limit 1100 would exclude anyone with the rank over 1100.
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Re: cap on ranks

Postby HardAttack on Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:47 pm

The Neon Peon wrote:Foe all those of the rank you do not wish to play.


foe 5000 players ?
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Re: cap on ranks

Postby HardAttack on Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:49 pm

i suggested this in Q&A when i was freemium maybe 2 times. But didnt work. I think there is a policy behind it.
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Re: cap on ranks

Postby kiddicus maximus on Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:22 am

HardAttack wrote:i suggested this in Q&A when i was freemium maybe 2 times. But didnt work. I think there is a policy behind it.


rules are made to be broken. I think it would be a good option. Some of the higher ranked players get angry when they lose to bums like me. Some of the bums go from Private to Cook because they don't realize not to play 4 majors in an assassin game...
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Re: cap on ranks

Postby Phlaim on Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:52 am

To go around this, make the games private and put them in callouts.
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