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Re: The matchmaking and rating system

Postby Queen_Herpes on Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:25 pm

I agree. Czech out my sug:

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This link is the best way to make new players feel welcome...

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Re: The matchmaking and rating system

Postby Daggerheart on Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:07 am

hmsps wrote:As a side note these 2 dropped the game when i joined before my partner took up the invite so these things will continue to happen until you do something about it. And just because only 2 people agree doesnt make it any less a valid suggestion


Yes, this is a serious issue. We are talking about farming and a system that let you choose your opponents in matches that gives rating points... this is worse than the boxing federations.

The scoreboard is a bloody joke!

I tought this site was run by people with logic and brains?

I really like CC, and now it needs to take the step from good to superb...

I "demand" to talk to the owner of this site before I leave for good!
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Re: The matchmaking and rating system

Postby TheForgivenOne on Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:43 am

Well, lackattack does not accept PM's, he is currently on vacation, and as i said, they are considering a rank limitation/restriction. You seriously can't expect these kind of updates to happen overnight.
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Re: The matchmaking and rating system

Postby Daggerheart on Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:13 am

I really hope alot of you people out there make a comment to this post. This issue must be dealt with. Thanks.
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Re: The matchmaking and rating system

Postby MichelSableheart on Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:30 pm

To be honest, I really don't see the need for this suggestion. Coming from a mainly standard multiplayer experience, it's extremely rare that players are so outclassed that the enjoyment of the game suffers. Most of the time, playing vs. a higher rank is a good learning experience, and playing against lower ranks should give you a fun game.

The only reason I can see to limit the opponents you can play against to players of your own level is because you are concerned about losing too many points against lower ranked opponents. But frankly, that's part of the ELO like scoring system we use. It's necessary for the ranking to remain a good indicator of someone's abilities.
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Re: The matchmaking and rating system

Postby Daggerheart on Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:46 am

MichelSableheart wrote:To be honest, I really don't see the need for this suggestion. Coming from a mainly standard multiplayer experience, it's extremely rare that players are so outclassed that the enjoyment of the game suffers. Most of the time, playing vs. a higher rank is a good learning experience, and playing against lower ranks should give you a fun game.

The only reason I can see to limit the opponents you can play against to players of your own level is because you are concerned about losing too many points against lower ranked opponents. But frankly, that's part of the ELO like scoring system we use. It's necessary for the ranking to remain a good indicator of someone's abilities.



That's the main problem now, the scoreboard/ranking is not an good indicator of your abilities...

Several here have stated that a player who enjoy playing 8 player games is doing a very well job if he/she wins 30% of these matches... since the average win rate with 8 players are far less. But a 30% win rate against random rated opponents will kill your rating in no time. Many of the high rated players now (not all but many)... they play carefully selected games...

This is why CC is worse than the boxing federations:

1) You can select the players you want to your matches, RATED matches, by the invite system
2) You can foe players that you know will usually beat you, example: in "open" 1vs1 speed matches
3) Leave matches if certain players join
4) High ranked players team up with cooks with 500 points so that they win more points... who control the cook? the guy's brother probably!

In the boxing federation they can stall a boxer for a long, long time... but if that boxer performs ... they can't keep him from a title match forever...

I really want to return playing CC. I really hope this will be addressed this autumn.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby Queen_Herpes on Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:52 pm

Givign players the option to segregate would be nice...
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=102006

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Starting A Game !!Rank!!

Postby SneakySheep on Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:58 pm

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Re: Starting A Game !!Rank!!

Postby TheForgivenOne on Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:02 pm

Try searching through the forum. Already been suggested. Merging
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Re: The matchmaking and rating system

Postby TheForgivenOne on Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:04 pm

After deliberation, i am merging this into Tezu's.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby SneakySheep on Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:31 pm

its not about protecting newbs how many times do i have to make a game only to have it fill up with privates, cadets and cooks then have cooks suicide into me

i want to be able to make a world 2.1 game and have it fill up with some players that have a idea about risk

im not here to teach newbs how to play im here to play some good games of risk, i dont like to play risk if the games going to end by round 10 thats not risk its just plain gay

i understand that you think it might hurt new players joining but ffs use your brain make it sargents and above that still gives cooks a wide range of people to suicide into but lets people who want a good strategic game to play

if your not going to look after the players you have that PAY to play then wats the point n even having new people join once they get some games under there belt there just going to end up posting in this tread or make 1 like it

i love CC but i love a good game of risk more its not like you HAVE to have a ranking option when making a game thats y its called a option

sorry if i offended people but im sick of this world and its P.C bull sh*t be real
when your new at a game you dont join a game with elite players because of course your going to get owned
does World of warCraft let you raid a lvl 80 dungeon when your lvl 1? no you start small and work your way up :roll:
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby TheForgivenOne on Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:34 pm

SneakySheep wrote:its not about protecting newbs how many times do i have to make a game only to have it fill up with privates, cadets and cooks then have cooks suicide into me

i want to be able to make a world 2.1 game and have it fill up with some players that have a idea about risk

im not here to teach newbs how to play im here to play some good games of risk, i dont like to play risk if the games going to end by round 10 thats not risk its just plain gay

i understand that you think it might hurt new players joining but ffs use your brain make it sargents and above that still gives cooks a wide range of people to suicide into but lets people who want a good strategic game to play

if your not going to look after the players you have that PAY to play then wats the point n even having new people join once they get some games under there belt there just going to end up posting in this tread or make 1 like it

i love CC but i love a good game of risk more its not like you HAVE to have a ranking option when making a game thats y its called a option

sorry if i offended people but im sick of this world and its P.C bull sh*t be real
when your new at a game you dont join a game with elite players because of course your going to get owned
does World of warCraft let you raid a lvl 80 dungeon when your lvl 1? no you start small and work your way up :roll:


I know, but if you actually what tezu was asking for, then you would have realized that she said this.
tezu wrote:Add an option when creating games which defines the minimum and maximum rank a player must have to join that game.


The thread was initially started for New Recruits, but it does include everyone.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby SneakySheep on Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:59 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:So new recruits would be less likely to stay and ultimately purchase premium because they would have a more negative experience by playing in games with more deadbeats like themselves. Along with the fact point segregation is bad.


if your all about making money then i must be on the wrong site im not here to make you guys rich im here to play risk with good players

TheForgivenOne wrote:How are lower ranks supposed to learn if they can't find an open game against a higher rank? They will just keep learning bad strategies.

yes thats true you can only learn to play risk by playing but thats y i said sargent and above that still gives newbs good players to play then if players can't learn that suicide is a bad idea when there playing people there own rank then they will just end up staying at the bottom

i make world 2.1 games and dont look at them until they have started if i get a PM about how im farming then whos fault is that?

as i said i love CC i'd like to see CC grow so theres over 100 speed games going at all times
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby TheForgivenOne on Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:14 pm

SneakySheep wrote:

i make world 2.1 games and dont look at them until they have started if i get a PM about how im farming then whos fault is that?



And if you actually follow'd C&A reports, you would realize that you'd have to have an extensive amount of games for farming to come into play. You'd have to create a ton of games, have only New Recruits join them, realize this, then keep creating this same type of game to be considered farming.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby hmsps on Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:07 am

7430954 and 743095 is precisely why this should be imnplemented i get a cook join, i ask him on his wall, (still there) politely to read chat and not miss turns and what does he do, yup misses turns. I have no problem partnering anyone but I should be able to set parameters to who joins my games either on a pts or ratings basis. I see plenty of enhancements to this site and strongly feel this would be a good addition.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby SneakySheep on Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:50 am

bump this
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby TheForgivenOne on Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:39 am

SneakySheep wrote:bump this


If you have nothing meaningful to say or to add anything to the suggestion, do not bump it.

As i ALREADY said in this thread, the webmaster is already contemplating a form of Rank Restriction.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby greenoaks on Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:29 am

the system is fine the way it is

if you want to leave do so, it just means more bananas for me
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby TheForgivenOne on Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:50 am

greenoaks wrote:the system is fine the way it is

if you want to leave do so, it just means more bananas for me


I'd rather give them to Andy, but to each their own.

I'm at a neutral position on this. I can see pro's and con's on each side.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby greenoaks on Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:45 am

TheForgivenOne wrote:I'd rather give them to Andy, but to each their own.

bananas are suitable for my av too :arrow:
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby Crazy Frog on Mon Oct 25, 2010 5:40 pm

So.. let me get this straight... Some People are deliberately Foeing players not for valid reasons but to keep them from joining games where they would be competition for the points? Did I read that right??? And if so... Is not that one of the worst forms of Poor and UN-Sportsmanlike Conduct??? Is that not just plain outright Cowerdice???

Right now someone on this very board has Foed Me... and for no apparent reason that i can tell... other than that i beat her in two games on Feudal recently...

If that is the reason TEZU did this.. then let her colors be shown.. and if not.. She needs to Speak up...

There is a time for Foe'ing... When People swearing like sailors, threatening people and getting ignorant etc and in those cases I strongly feel that they should be silenced... Certainly... CC players need some recourse and defense against that sort of junk... But to foe someone for winning a game or two too many... and not telling that person... or giving them the chance to speak about it is just plain WRONG.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby TotoroHat on Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:58 am

I would like to see one option only.... It would say players with less than 1000 points only... this is the only way this could ever work!
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Limit Opponents to +/- 300 points.

Postby Craig25 on Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:46 am

This ensures you play someone of your own level, making games more fun. In multi player games the +/- 300 would be from the highest and lowest graded players already in the game. This does not stop players working up their grading.
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Re: Limit Opponents to +/- 300 points.

Postby Qwert on Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:53 am

i think that you all ready have private games when you can invite players with these rank
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Re: Limit Opponents to +/- 300 points.

Postby Joodoo on Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:02 am

Too bad that Blitzaholic can only play 3 player games if this was ever implemented.
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