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Postby kevinc on Wed May 24, 2006 2:15 pm

Surrendering is for losers!!

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Postby ChaunceyMo on Thu May 25, 2006 6:13 pm

It's very obvious that some people do what you described intentionally. Generally it's a (relatively) high rated player starting a game, who is fully active in other games they are playing, but mysteriously deadbeats when they find that their start is really poor. I've seen it happen in one six player sequential game, which was HORRIBLY annoying, because it made the first three turns take about a week. I think there needs to be a penalty, preferably a steep one, to discourage this.

Just having other players get the deadbeat's points would be bad, because it would promote very easy multiplaying to raise your score. A nice system, as wcaclimbing suggested already, would be for the deadbeat to lose the number of points (plus maybe a deadbeat penalty) they would've lost for losing the game, and just not have the other players get those points. They can go into the abyss. Then there'd be no advantage to deadbeating, so you'd at least stop some % of the deadbeats out there. And any improvement would be good... I'm about to swear off public games, particularly public team games, because somewhere around 1/3 to 1/2 of them end up with a deadbeat.
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Postby SonicStriker on Sat May 27, 2006 5:52 pm

I agree with the surrender button, because let's say one person has all these continents and bonuses and is assured to win, but is not currently playing. The other two people, who would want to quit, would have to wait for the player to finish the game. This, in turn, would prevent them from playing any additional games if they had 4 games going (unless they were a member, in which case it wouldn't matter).
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Postby thegrimsleeper on Sat May 27, 2006 5:54 pm

I've seen some pretty remarkable comebacks. Pushing a surrender button is selling yourself short.
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Postby Banana Stomper on Sat May 27, 2006 6:13 pm

why not though. I wouldn't use it personally, but why not.
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Postby thegrimsleeper on Sat May 27, 2006 6:42 pm

I'll tell you why not:

1. It's against the spirit of the game, which is kill or be killed. Not roll over and take one in the bum.

2. I know the rationale is that you will be saving yourself and others time, but honestly, if you've made it to the point where there's 3 people left in the game, and you're in such a poition that you feel you have no hope but to surrender, how much time are you really wasting? You can't wait another 24 hours?

3. Attacking as much as you can until you only have 1 army on each territory isn't hard (or time-consuming) to do, and it does things almost as effectively as a surrender button would.

4. The Cards. If you hit surrender, and you become neutral, your cards are lost. This was abused in the past for this reason, and it would be abused in the future if reinstated.

5. Multis. We had much less of a problem with multis (or at least so it seems) when the button was still a part of the site. If this were implemented now, with the multi situation being what it is, I guarantee multis will be wreaking even more havoc on our scoreboard.
[edit] This will make it even easier for multis to go undetected, because they will be able to play as seperate entities and just surrender at the end of the game, drawing less suspicion to themselves.

I could go on, but I think I'll just wrap things up by advising anyone who still thinks a surrender button is a good idea to search the forum for old threads regarding it. You'll see why we don't have one now, and likely never will again.
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Postby qeee1 on Sat May 27, 2006 6:48 pm

thegrimsleeper wrote:I'll tell you why not:

1. It's against the spirit of the game, which is kill or be killed. Not roll over and take one in the bum.


When did you change?

Are people talking about when there are two people left or three? Grim's point about multis is very valid though.
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Postby Marvaddin on Sat May 27, 2006 6:58 pm

I believe we could have a way to get draws in some special conditions... It happened to me once in game 11817... By the game chat you can see... Me and vyvyan (now one of my partners) survived only because of our alliance. After eliminated the other players, we were both sad about have to kill the another, we would like a way where no one of us would lose points. So, maybe sometimes a draw would be good, but as its a hole to cheaters, maybe only a moderator could finish the game...
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Postby thegrimsleeper on Sat May 27, 2006 7:11 pm

So maybe we could have a "Draw" button that would need everyone left in the game to work. You'd start your turn and it would say "Marvaddin wants to call it a draw." and you'd click ok, and then it would tell the other guy "Marvaddin and thegrimsleeper want to call it a draw." and the other guy would say:

Yes, and no one in the game would lose or gain points (even the people already eliminated), or

No, and we'd all have to keep fighting.

I'm not sure it'd get used too often, and it seems there may be a small amount of potential for abuse, but it's certainly a better idea than just a straight Surrender.
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Postby Marvaddin on Sat May 27, 2006 7:17 pm

If no point taken of the eliminated, really low limit to abuse, but it would be never used, I believe... Im thinking about take points from eliminated players, and split them to survivors, but have a moderator to approve it... only approve due to game circunstances and after check the presence of multis.
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Postby thegrimsleeper on Sat May 27, 2006 7:24 pm

Sounds like a really convoluted alternative to just taking out your opponent, which is what the game is all about. If you're taking points form anyone, even players already eliminated, then the chance for abuse is even greater. I doubt lack would ever approve either incarnation.
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Postby SonicStriker on Sun May 28, 2006 8:24 am

thegrimsleeper wrote:I'll tell you why not:

2. I know the rationale is that you will be saving yourself and others time, but honestly, if you've made it to the point where there's 3 people left in the game, and you're in such a poition that you feel you have no hope but to surrender, how much time are you really wasting? You can't wait another 24 hours?
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4. The Cards. If you hit surrender, and you become neutral, your cards are lost. This was abused in the past for this reason, and it would be abused in the future if reinstated.

5. Multis. We had much less of a problem with multis (or at least so it seems) when the button was still a part of the site. If this were implemented now, with the multi situation being what it is, I guarantee multis will be wreaking even more havoc on our scoreboard.
[edit] This will make it even easier for multis to go undetected, because they will be able to play as seperate entities and just surrender at the end of the game, drawing less suspicion to themselves.


The only reason I supported the surrender button is because it might be another way to save people time, but if there are any negative consequences of having it, like what thegrimsleeper mentions, then yes, another possible 24 hours of waiting is not unbearable.
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Postby pyro55 on Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:52 pm

i think it would be cool if after ur in a game if u dont like it u could somehow drop the game or somtin





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Postby strike wolf on Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:55 pm

Sounds like deadbeat talk to me.
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Postby pyro55 on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:00 am

i think that was a little confusing so wut i meant is if someone is taking forever u can erase that game from ur my games list so u can go to another one





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Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:02 am

There currently is no 'surrender' button, and most likely won't ever come back.

As for trying to get out of games, it is frowned upon to deadbeat, and you can gain many enemies that way. The most honorable thing you can do is simply play until you are defeated. Once you are eliminated from a game, it doesn't count toward your active game number, so you can start another up to the 4 game limit.


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Postby strike wolf on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:03 am

AndyDufresne wrote:There currently is no 'surrender' button, and most likely won't ever come back.

As for trying to get out of games, it is frowned upon to deadbeat, and you can gain many enemies that way. The most honorable thing you can do is simply play until you are defeated. Once you are eliminated from a game, it doesn't count toward your active game number, so you can start another up to the 4 game limit.


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Yeah what he said.
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Postby pyro55 on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:24 pm

ya well f*ck u all and all the poeple who take fucking forever u sons of bitches






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Postby HighBorn on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:28 pm

Ahem what game #'s do you have open bro???
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Postby KoolBak on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:47 pm

Spoken like a true scholar.....

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Postby Phobia on Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:50 pm

i just recommend you are absolutely positive you want to join the game, and make sure you havent got any events, eg holidays coming up too.
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Dropout of a game?

Postby EcoMaster on Fri Jun 23, 2006 7:51 pm

Hi, I'm new to this game, but I caught on very quickly. I have 4 games started up at the moment, and I was wondering if you could make a dropout option. Here's how it would work and NOT stop the game:

Okay, you put up your position for replacement. You still play until someone takes your spot. If one or more account spots are open by wanting of dropout, the game appears on the Join Game list. When someone clicks to join, they can see the current status and if they want, choose who they want to get in as.

OR

You simply click 'leave' and your player is replaced with a bot. Same thing as above happens then. Another player can replace the bot after checking status.

Whaddya think?
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Postby Fieryo on Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:15 pm

you dont give a "no" option so i cant vote :wink:
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Postby EcoMaster on Fri Jun 23, 2006 9:27 pm

What? I put one in!

Can I get a mod to edit that to include a No option?
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Postby lackattack on Sat Jun 24, 2006 12:04 am

I added the "No" option and voted No.
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