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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:02 pm

Sure, I'm not saying it's ever likely to happen, only that it's at least possible and there are people would find that abhorrent.

Anyway, I don't see the point of implementing this only for Speed + Trench; if it works well, we're going to want to expand it eventually to 24 hour games as originally conceived, and if we do that, the restriction will end up hitting Speed Games anyway (unless the person implementing this finds a way to distinguish between the game types in determining whether a resignation is allowed -- I am not sure how simple that is because I am not familiar with the site code).
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby Metsfanmax on Sat Sep 17, 2016 4:15 pm

Also, I looked back over the old thread, and someone brought up a point (mostly relevant for casual, presumably) at the time worth considering: can someone sitting for you resign a game on your behalf?
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby clangfield on Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:08 am

Metsfanmax wrote:Also, I looked back over the old thread, and someone brought up a point (mostly relevant for casual, presumably) at the time worth considering: can someone sitting for you resign a game on your behalf?

I don't see why not. You can give your sitter instructions on the tactics you've been following if you want them to play a certain way; if necessary this should include whether or not they can resign.
How would the system be able to identify a sitter anyway? It couldn't assume a different IP address meant a different person, or that the same ip meant the same person.
I can't see how this could be implemented in a practical way: you'd almost have to rely on people's honesty to push an "I am sitting" button when they logged in. I don't think there's much to be gained. If you let someone sit for you then you have to accept that they are in control of what happens.
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby degaston on Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:32 am

IcePack wrote:
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IcePack wrote:If this ever gets expanded to 24 hour games and doesn't have an option to refuse a resignation, it's probably the last day I volunteer / play on this site.

Why couldn't you just FAMO for anyone that resigns?


Why can't the alternative I proposed be considered for those who dont want resign?

I made a suggestion about a year ago that was ignored: "Abandoned mode".
It would auto-skip a player's turn, but allow them to return later. You can continue to have your fun and make your moves until you eliminate them, but you don't have to wait 24 hours for them to deadbeat their turns. Or instead of taking your turn immediately, you could try to convince them to come back and continue playing.
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:02 am

clangfield wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:Also, I looked back over the old thread, and someone brought up a point (mostly relevant for casual, presumably) at the time worth considering: can someone sitting for you resign a game on your behalf?

I don't see why not. You can give your sitter instructions on the tactics you've been following if you want them to play a certain way; if necessary this should include whether or not they can resign.
How would the system be able to identify a sitter anyway? It couldn't assume a different IP address meant a different person, or that the same ip meant the same person.
I can't see how this could be implemented in a practical way: you'd almost have to rely on people's honesty to push an "I am sitting" button when they logged in. I don't think there's much to be gained. If you let someone sit for you then you have to accept that they are in control of what happens.


Of course I don't mean "can a sitter resign" as a technical issue, I mean from a rules perspective, should a sitter be allowed to resign without penalty.
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby clangfield on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:05 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
clangfield wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:Also, I looked back over the old thread, and someone brought up a point (mostly relevant for casual, presumably) at the time worth considering: can someone sitting for you resign a game on your behalf?

I don't see why not. You can give your sitter instructions on the tactics you've been following if you want them to play a certain way; if necessary this should include whether or not they can resign.
How would the system be able to identify a sitter anyway? It couldn't assume a different IP address meant a different person, or that the same ip meant the same person.
I can't see how this could be implemented in a practical way: you'd almost have to rely on people's honesty to push an "I am sitting" button when they logged in. I don't think there's much to be gained. If you let someone sit for you then you have to accept that they are in control of what happens.


Of course I don't mean "can a sitter resign" as a technical issue, I mean from a rules perspective, should a sitter be allowed to resign without penalty.


In my view, yes. They may get foed by the sittee (if that's the word); but what practical penalty would there be? You couldn't stop them sitting so what would a proportionate and fitting penalty be?
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Sep 18, 2016 3:08 pm

Personally I'm fine with someone resigning a game on behalf of the sittee as long as that is not inconsistent with the sittee's instructions. But a member of the C&A staff had brought it up, which I thought was fair.
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby Captn B on Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:29 am

IcePack wrote:(for the record, there was never a thread in beta area on the "feature" until I brought it up here. It still only has 9 views and zero posts about the ongoing testing or organizing.


Wha? I didn't know there even WAS a thread regarding this. Does someone have that link and will share it, please?

Having an obvious place to report findings to (within beta--like a link on every page or a menu item) would be an obvious benefit. I once made a suggestion regarding colors/visibility on one map, which the map-maker appreciated, but I had to track him down and write him a pm in REAL CC, instead of beta. That was just awkward. I would much prefer a thread to post findings in.

Maybe a link on the welcome to beta pm would be a minimal add, but far better would be a menu item. Maybe I am simply unaware that it is already in place, but that's the point: I'm unaware and so may others be also. A menu item would help that.

btw, I respect you guys trying to keep the emotion out of all this--just attempting to keep it a discussion. I know that it's really easy to take something that someone has said personally and get upset. But in the grand scheme of things, it's really a minor issue to get worked up over. Many have been outspoken and emotionally invested in this voluminous thread, so I'm glad to see that many of you guys are trying to be mature about it and simply discuss it.

Well done, mates. ;) 8-)
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby Captn B on Tue Sep 20, 2016 12:32 am

Metsfanmax wrote:Personally I'm fine with someone resigning a game on behalf of the sittee as long as that is not inconsistent with the sittee's instructions. But a member of the C&A staff had brought it up, which I thought was fair.


Yes, you have to trust your sitter, otherwise, you need to get a different one. I think this is really a non-issue, right?
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:58 pm

Captn B wrote:
IcePack wrote:(for the record, there was never a thread in beta area on the "feature" until I brought it up here. It still only has 9 views and zero posts about the ongoing testing or organizing.


Wha? I didn't know there even WAS a thread regarding this. Does someone have that link and will share it, please?

Having an obvious place to report findings to (within beta--like a link on every page or a menu item) would be an obvious benefit. I once made a suggestion regarding colors/visibility on one map, which the map-maker appreciated, but I had to track him down and write him a pm in REAL CC, instead of beta. That was just awkward. I would much prefer a thread to post findings in.

Maybe a link on the welcome to beta pm would be a minimal add, but far better would be a menu item. Maybe I am simply unaware that it is already in place, but that's the point: I'm unaware and so may others be also. A menu item would help that.


In theory everything being tested in Beta has a thread dedicated to it in the Beta Testers' Forum. That should be one of the top forums on your list of Forums, even above Announcements. If it isn't let me know; there may be something wrong with your forum permissions.

A large part of the problem is that there is no leadership on the Beta Test team. The last Team Leader on the Beta Team quit about eight months ago and nobody has stepped forward to fill the gap. If there was a Team Leader, I think there would be more focus on the discussions there. If anybody wants to volunteer for this post, let me know. It's not my area but I'd like to see somebody at the helm over there. It's too important a ship to be left adrift forever.
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Re: [GP] Surrender/Resign/Forfeit Button

Postby Captn B on Thu Sep 22, 2016 3:48 am

Dukasaur wrote:
Captn B wrote:
IcePack wrote:(for the record, there was never a thread in beta area on the "feature" until I brought it up here. It still only has 9 views and zero posts about the ongoing testing or organizing.


Wha? I didn't know there even WAS a thread regarding this. Does someone have that link and will share it, please?


In theory everything being tested in Beta has a thread dedicated to it in the Beta Testers' Forum. That should be one of the top forums on your list of Forums, even above Announcements. If it isn't let me know; there may be something wrong with your forum permissions.

Got it, Duk, thanks man. It's a subforum under Official Projects. Never saw it before, so thanks for pointing it out.

Still though, I'm not really a stupid guy (okay, well sometimes I am, but...), (alright, MORE times than I'd like to be, I am, but...), (okay, okay, I'm an absolute dunderhead) but the point is that if I was oblivious to that forum for as long as I've been beta testing, perhaps others have been oblivious to it as well. Perhaps it should take a more prominent position? [Although, yes, I realize that it has the same size font as all the other subforums, so maybe I'm just "wowing" because I'm so surprised that I've overlooked it all this time?]
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