Playback/Replay/Rewind/Review/History Game Feature[REJECTED]

[TheForgivenOne]

This has been suggested many times. Personally, I don't people knowing my strategy for a certain map.

[mjs28]

great idea. in play too. easier than snapshots and looking through log

[spiesr]

This has been on the to-do list for years. However, it is not possible to implement it until the game log is updated to include more information. (Failed attacks, how many armies are lost in every battle...)

[StefanH]

I think you're right, spiesr, but could the following idea help to create a fast thing into that direction?
- in the log they have something like an auto snapshot for every line in the log.
- every time a player begins his turn, a link symbol to the corresponding autosnapshot
is displayed in the log
- you can click on the link and you see the snapshot. With buttons we know from a mp3 player,
you can then navigate in the snapshots forward and backward. After a navigation to another snapshot,
it shows automatically the differences for a few seconds.

[sgfried]

If fog maps are automatically revealed at the end of each game, ie. no more fog, I think it could curb players collaborating behind the scenes. There would be obvious red flags exposed (game play). Right now, players can collaborate because no one really knows what obvious plays are being passed up.

[sgfried]

If fog maps are automatically revealed at the end of each game, ie. no more fog, I think it could curb players collaborating behind the scenes. There would be obvious red flags exposed (game play). Right now, players can collaborate because no one really knows what obvious plays are being passed up.

[chapcrap]

Fog maps are already revealed at the end of games.

If you mean to "replay" the game, there is already a suggestion for that.

[trinicardinal]

Fog maps are already revealed at the end of games.

If you mean to "replay" the game, there is already a suggestion for that.

there is also a tool that allows you to replay the game to the extent of seeing the changes in territories - it does not show troop counts however.

[tarcellius]

The BOB script, which I have used for a long time now, is a poor replacement for true replay support. In my opinion, the goals of this project should be:

1) Allow a player to see the board at the start of any past turn (not just between rounds) with whatever board visibility the player had at that time. Imagine giving the player as much information as if he had checked the game before every single player's turn and taken a picture of the board. This more closely mimics a real board game played in person, while still supporting fog. Outside of freestyle games, there should be no advantage on a turn-based game site for the player who checks his games all the time to get extra BOB snapshots. Other turn-based game sites support exactly this feature and there is no reason conquer club should not.

2) Make the feature universally available, not an add-on. Don't give an advantage to players who happen to know about a particular greasemonkey script. Don't force players to run greasemonkey scripts (which should be avoided whenever possible, from a browser performance perspective) just to use a basic replay feature. Don't rely on players remembering to click a snapshot button just to have some replay support.

3) Remove the need for courtesy rules like "at the start of the game, allow 12 hours for the opposing team to grab a snapshot before moving". This rule is used in many tournaments because the BOB script is the default replay support. This situation just leads to friction between players. Sometimes the rule is honored, sometimes not, and sometimes it is assumed even when the tournament didn't suggest it. If true support was available the courtesy rule would be totally unnecessary. The playing field would be level without it.

Anyway, I went looking for this thread again today and was disappointed to see that it has been hijacked by discussion of the BOB script. The BOB script is NOT a good solution.

[mcshanester29]

The BOB script, which I have used for a long time now, is a poor replacement for true replay support. In my opinion, the goals of this project should be:

1) Allow a player to see the board at the start of any past turn (not just between rounds) with whatever board visibility the player had at that time. Imagine giving the player as much information as if he had checked the game before every single player's turn and taken a picture of the board. This more closely mimics a real board game played in person, while still supporting fog. Outside of freestyle games, there should be no advantage on a turn-based game site for the player who checks his games all the time to get extra BOB snapshots. Other turn-based game sites support exactly this feature and there is no reason conquer club should not.

2) Make the feature universally available, not an add-on. Don't give an advantage to players who happen to know about a particular greasemonkey script. Don't force players to run greasemonkey scripts (which should be avoided whenever possible, from a browser performance perspective) just to use a basic replay feature. Don't rely on players remembering to click a snapshot button just to have some replay support.

3) Remove the need for courtesy rules like "at the start of the game, allow 12 hours for the opposing team to grab a snapshot before moving". This rule is used in many tournaments because the BOB script is the default replay support. This situation just leads to friction between players. Sometimes the rule is honored, sometimes not, and sometimes it is assumed even when the tournament didn't suggest it. If true support was available the courtesy rule would be totally unnecessary. The playing field would be level without it.

Anyway, I went looking for this thread again today and was disappointed to see that it has been hijacked by discussion of the BOB script. The BOB script is NOT a good solution.

I agree with this and would like to see it implemented

[Robespierre__]

I would like to add my $.02 to this thread. AT MINUMUM there should be a starting position snap feature so we all can join games and not fret over our opponent's joining after us and making moves that we can't see. It is too sensible, no?

[ckyrias]

The BOB script, which I have used for a long time now, is a poor replacement for true replay support. In my opinion, the goals of this project should be:

1) Allow a player to see the board at the start of any past turn (not just between rounds) with whatever board visibility the player had at that time. Imagine giving the player as much information as if he had checked the game before every single player's turn and taken a picture of the board. This more closely mimics a real board game played in person, while still supporting fog. Outside of freestyle games, there should be no advantage on a turn-based game site for the player who checks his games all the time to get extra BOB snapshots. Other turn-based game sites support exactly this feature and there is no reason conquer club should not.

2) Make the feature universally available, not an add-on. Don't give an advantage to players who happen to know about a particular greasemonkey script. Don't force players to run greasemonkey scripts (which should be avoided whenever possible, from a browser performance perspective) just to use a basic replay feature. Don't rely on players remembering to click a snapshot button just to have some replay support.

3) Remove the need for courtesy rules like "at the start of the game, allow 12 hours for the opposing team to grab a snapshot before moving". This rule is used in many tournaments because the BOB script is the default replay support. This situation just leads to friction between players. Sometimes the rule is honored, sometimes not, and sometimes it is assumed even when the tournament didn't suggest it. If true support was available the courtesy rule would be totally unnecessary. The playing field would be level without it.

Anyway, I went looking for this thread again today and was disappointed to see that it has been hijacked by discussion of the BOB script. The BOB script is NOT a good solution.

agree 110%

BOB is not the solution. is a cover to the true problem at hand. there are people who wait 12 hours and people who don't. even if someone waits for 12 hours there is not guarantee whatsoever that the opponent will check the board before start. for people (like me) who have on average 100 games active it means i have to search for every game i join ith fog and monitor when my opponent joins to get the snap!! the joy of this game is the game itself not browsing between 100 games to see if you have a snap! on foggy games both players or teams should be able to see at least the start of the board. even better if what Tarc suggested can be implemented. it should be if you ask me. i love foggy games but they are quite unbalanced the way its played...

[chapcrap]

For people (like me) who have on average 100 games active it means i have to search for every game i join ith fog and monitor when my opponent joins to get the snap!! the joy of this game is the game itself not browsing between 100 games to see if you have a snap!

This.

I'm sorry if I've not let you see a map before, but I just don't have the time to monitor it when I'm playing in 150 games plus doing all my other stuff. If it could snap automatically when the games starts, that would be great.

[greenoaks]

perhaps a techie could let us know what increase this would add to a games file size

[DoomYoshi]

Support.