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Would you like to see an unranked option when creating games?

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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby Chamomile on Tue May 31, 2011 12:19 am

I think making it available only after X amount of turns will go a long way towards preventing abuse. You'd have to be absurdly patient to go in with three players, team-kill the other players, and then camp the game a hundred turns. Also, if the same group of people keep winning the same kinds of game through ties, then I wonder if maybe there's some secret diplomacy going on there.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby redwards on Tue May 31, 2011 1:10 am

How about a surrender option. In games were they keep u alive for cards and it drags on and on with no chance of winning. I will guess it is a major reason for dead beats.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby TheForgivenOne on Tue May 31, 2011 1:40 am

redwards wrote:How about a surrender option. In games were they keep u alive for cards and it drags on and on with no chance of winning. I will guess it is a major reason for dead beats.


Won't be happening. Surrender option has been here, but was abused too much, so it was removed.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby jakevv on Tue May 31, 2011 9:58 am

I agree that the only way to prevent abuse would be to go with the "0 Point" option.

This may also solve the problem of extremely unfair drops (drops where skill or luck will not matter --- eg: 2 neutral protected bonuses on a 3 troop/turn map). I have had more than a few opponent agree that this option (0 point option) is needed.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby Frued1 on Tue May 31, 2011 11:57 am

I am not sure of the programmability of this option, but how about allowing for the "tie" button to appear only in cases of 50 or more consecutive rounds with no one taking additional territories?

And as a side note, the idea of one "team" joining games and the other players not knowing that they are against a team goes against the rules of secret alliances anyways, so those groups would most likely be short-lived
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby Herbas on Tue May 31, 2011 1:21 pm

I had plenty of games which were in big big stalemates. 0 points for a tie always seemed to me the best solution for such games. Once a stalemate kicks in, usually you just wish this game never happened, so a "price" of 0 points for ending it would be just fine.
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Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue May 31, 2011 2:18 pm

Concise description:
  • Allow active players in a game the ability to request a draw, with no points being awarded to any player if the draw is accepted

Specifics/Details:
  • Each player would have a checkbox on their game page that allows them to request a draw. If, at any time, all active players have checked this box, the game is immediately declared a draw and ended. No points are awarded to any player.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • Myself and many others in this forum have noted that this removes the abuse issue of other draw suggestions. However, there hasn't actually been a separate thread for this yet.
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby 40kguy on Tue May 31, 2011 3:27 pm

I like the idea just a few suggestions

offten times when i feel like ending the game or making it a draw, It is a statement with some people eliminated. How about we spread those points out to the people who can still win. For example me tdans and jsnyder are in the game, but ljex blitz and lindax are eliminated, we split up those points.
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby TheForgivenOne on Tue May 31, 2011 3:29 pm

40kguy wrote:I like the idea just a few suggestions

offten times when i feel like ending the game or making it a draw, It is a statement with some people eliminated. How about we spread those points out to the people who can still win. For example me tdans and jsnyder are in the game, but ljex blitz and lindax are eliminated, we split up those points.


Again, this won't be happening. I've had to repeat this over and over and over again over the last few days. This is too easily open up for abuse.
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby 40kguy on Tue May 31, 2011 3:37 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:
40kguy wrote:I like the idea just a few suggestions

offten times when i feel like ending the game or making it a draw, It is a statement with some people eliminated. How about we spread those points out to the people who can still win. For example me tdans and jsnyder are in the game, but ljex blitz and lindax are eliminated, we split up those points.


Again, this won't be happening. I've had to repeat this over and over and over again over the last few days. This is too easily open up for abuse.

OK then go back to his way.
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby stahrgazer on Tue May 31, 2011 3:52 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:Concise description:
  • Allow active players in a game the ability to request a draw, with no points being awarded to any player if the draw is accepted

Specifics/Details:
  • Each player would have a checkbox on their game page that allows them to request a draw. If, at any time, all active players have checked this box, the game is immediately declared a draw and ended. No points are awarded to any player.

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
  • Myself and many others in this forum have noted that this removes the abuse issue of other draw suggestions. However, there hasn't actually been a separate thread for this yet.


The only potential concern I can see for this "no points awarded" variation is that freemium 4-game limit. This suggestion enables them to get out of a stalled game faster.

Personally, I think that's to CC's credit. I don't think it would cause a freemium member to choose "not to" purchase premium; and it might give a player extra incentive to support the site.

An added benefit to the suggestion is, it enables high-build games to end without anyone violating the rules about losing intentionally (i.e, reduces temptation/risk of player suicide or deadbeat.)
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue May 31, 2011 3:56 pm

stahrgazer wrote:The only potential concern I can see for this "no points awarded" variation is that freemium 4-game limit. This suggestion enables them to get out of a stalled game faster.


This is true, but the number of times this will happen to the average player is rather small, since most of the time at least one person will be playing for a win and not a draw.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby patrickaa317 on Tue May 31, 2011 6:36 pm

How about any player that accepts a tie loses 5 points? Those who were already eliminated lose 0. It'd be enough to discourage a lot of ties. I'd do that on a regular basis just to make it so I don't have to take my turns and it sure beats deadbeating or just suiciding.

And I think it would have to be an option only once a game hits 100 rounds.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby KingBohica on Tue May 31, 2011 8:23 pm

KingBohica wrote:I don't know if this has been suggested, so if it has forgive me. But, instead of a "tie or no-tie" game option as previously mentioned, why not have a "round limit" option. It would be mandatory to pick one, but you could pick between say 50 rounds, 100 rounds, and 200 rounds or something like that. If the game exceeds the predetermined number of rounds, it is automatically a tie.


Or better yet, instead of a tie, whoever is the biggest (either most armies or territories) when the turn limit is reached is the winner. Would encourage people to do something rather that just squat.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby TheForgivenOne on Tue May 31, 2011 8:26 pm

KingBohica wrote:
KingBohica wrote:I don't know if this has been suggested, so if it has forgive me. But, instead of a "tie or no-tie" game option as previously mentioned, why not have a "round limit" option. It would be mandatory to pick one, but you could pick between say 50 rounds, 100 rounds, and 200 rounds or something like that. If the game exceeds the predetermined number of rounds, it is automatically a tie.


Or better yet, instead of a tie, whoever is the biggest (either most armies or territories) when the turn limit is reached is the winner. Would encourage people to do something rather that just squat.


Sometimes the biggest army isn't the best thing. Owning more territories/ bigger bonus may be the better thing in the long run.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby The Cheat on Tue May 31, 2011 9:00 pm

This is a terrible idea ... if you don't like the standoffs, play escalating; if you don't like escalating, don't be the first to crack and attack in a Mexican standoff ...
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby Army of GOD on Tue May 31, 2011 9:13 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:
40kguy wrote:I like the idea just a few suggestions

offten times when i feel like ending the game or making it a draw, It is a statement with some people eliminated. How about we spread those points out to the people who can still win. For example me tdans and jsnyder are in the game, but ljex blitz and lindax are eliminated, we split up those points.


Again, this won't be happening. I've had to repeat this over and over and over again over the last few days. This is too easily open up for abuse.


wut



I remember this has been suggested before and the only way I was going to be for it was if it was a unanimous vote and no points were awarded, which Mets picked up. There is absolutely no way this could be abused (well, ok, maybe there is, like if two people who account sit for each other are in a 1v1 and one guy, who's losing, decides to log in to the other one and cancel the game, but that's pretty unlikely).

I fully support this suggestion.
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby Victor Sullivan on Tue May 31, 2011 9:24 pm

There's also terminator games. Points would have already been awarded in those games by the time the draw occurs.

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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby Army of GOD on Tue May 31, 2011 9:40 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:There's also terminator games. Points would have already been awarded in those games by the time the draw occurs.

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I think a draw should give the points back.
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby TheForgivenOne on Tue May 31, 2011 9:46 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
TheForgivenOne wrote:
40kguy wrote:I like the idea just a few suggestions

offten times when i feel like ending the game or making it a draw, It is a statement with some people eliminated. How about we spread those points out to the people who can still win. For example me tdans and jsnyder are in the game, but ljex blitz and lindax are eliminated, we split up those points.


Again, this won't be happening. I've had to repeat this over and over and over again over the last few days. This is too easily open up for abuse.


wut



I remember this has been suggested before and the only way I was going to be for it was if it was a unanimous vote and no points were awarded, which Mets picked up. There is absolutely no way this could be abused (well, ok, maybe there is, like if two people who account sit for each other are in a 1v1 and one guy, who's losing, decides to log in to the other one and cancel the game, but that's pretty unlikely).

I fully support this suggestion.


I was referring to what 40kguy wrote, that in the result of a tie, the points from the eliminated players would be distributed to the remaining players.
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby Army of GOD on Tue May 31, 2011 9:52 pm

Oh, my beezy
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Re: Request a Draw (No Points Awarded)

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue May 31, 2011 10:18 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
Victor Sullivan wrote:There's also terminator games. Points would have already been awarded in those games by the time the draw occurs.

-Sully


I think a draw should give the points back.


Perhaps. In that game type there's no efficient way to collude, because only one of the conspirators can get points -- no sharing of the kill points are allowed, obviously. Another way would be to just change the terminator game type so that points are only awarded at the end of the game.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby vonraider on Wed Jun 01, 2011 1:00 pm

I like the idea, I have to admit to cracking and mindlessly attacking out of sheer boredom, but I think this option would be abused OFTEN!
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby patrickaa317 on Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:07 pm

vonraider wrote:I like the idea, I have to admit to cracking and mindlessly attacking out of sheer boredom, but I think this option would be abused OFTEN!


That's why my idea of -5 points is the best option out there. It'll avoid abuse and the only people who'd agree to are those truly in a deadlock. And it's better than just deadbeating out of it to get it over.
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Re: The "Request a Tie" option (Suggest Armistice)

Postby Boler on Wed Jun 01, 2011 7:36 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:
vonraider wrote:I like the idea, I have to admit to cracking and mindlessly attacking out of sheer boredom, but I think this option would be abused OFTEN!


That's why my idea of -5 points is the best option out there. It'll avoid abuse and the only people who'd agree to are those truly in a deadlock. And it's better than just deadbeating out of it to get it over.


Why would people need to lose points? Everyone would be happier AND it still could not be abused if everyone got 0. Or people got points, but only if the game has been going on for 100+ turns in Casual, or 300+ in speed.

Can someone put up a Poll? A group vote is the best solution to everything.
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