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Postby Woodruff on Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:29 pm

Concise description:Deleting Tournament Games

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My latest tournament has found two entrants who apparently are unable or unwilling to read the very simple directions given to JOIN ONLY THE ONE GAME ASSIGNED TO YOU (because I have so many games in my tournament, they are sent out en masse). Instead, each of them attempted to join as many of my tournament games as they possibly could. This has caused a massive upheaval not only in my extra work, but more importantly in freemiums who now cannot play in their replacement tournament game because one of the two bozos joined their original tournament game when they should not have. In other words, the freemium had one slot open for my tournament, and now it's taken up by the bogus game against the idiot who shouldn't have joined it.

If I (or even a tournament director, if you want them to only have the authority) could delete ONLY GAMES IN MY OWN TOURNAMENT, this would alleviate not only an enormous headache but would also avoid the now forced delay in the tournament even getting started for the freemium players. It seems to me that if I can create games ONLY for my tournament, it should be easy enough to give the same "access" for deleting games.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • My patience and blood pressure as a tournament organizer, so that I don't kill an idiot or myself.
  • The ability of freemiums to not get screwed over because an incompetent blew up their tournament games.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Kotaro on Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:32 pm

Just Disqualify them. I always put a little note in my tournaments that say "if you're dumb, you're out", and remake the games. I doubt that, if we're not allowed to delete games with cheaters, lack won't give tournaments special privileges.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Timminz on Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:39 pm

Kotaro wrote:Just Disqualify them.

Agreed. I would also recommend a public shaming. Who are these fools?
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Woodruff on Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:42 pm

Kotaro wrote:Just Disqualify them. I always put a little note in my tournaments that say "if you're dumb, you're out", and remake the games. I doubt that, if we're not allowed to delete games with cheaters, lack won't give tournaments special privileges.


I know I could disqualify them, but that doesn't fix EITHER of the problems I listed.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Woodruff on Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:42 pm

Timminz wrote:
Kotaro wrote:Just Disqualify them.

Agreed. I would also recommend a public shaming. Who are these fools?


Oh, they've certainly "felt the heat" from me.

But disqualifying them really doesn't help anything (my blood pressure or the freemiums who are now screwed).
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Timminz on Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:18 pm

In the past, games have only been deleted in the more extreme circumstances. Most, if not all, were due to serious glitches within the site. I doubt Lack is going to let tournament organizers delete games that have already started, whenever they like. Sure, you've got a real headache there, but it's temporary, and to let people do it for "real" reasons would absolutely, eventually lead to people doing it for not-so legitimate reasons.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Woodruff on Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:28 pm

Timminz wrote:In the past, games have only been deleted in the more extreme circumstances. Most, if not all, were due to serious glitches within the site. I doubt Lack is going to let tournament organizers delete games that have already started, whenever they like. Sure, you've got a real headache there, but it's temporary, and to let people do it for "real" reasons would absolutely, eventually lead to people doing it for not-so legitimate reasons.


That's why I suggested that only the Tournament Directors could have that authority...that would keep it only legitimate.

Not only that, but these games would be getting deleted essentially before they were ever started. There's really no difference at all between this and a tournament organizer being able to kill the game before the second player joined.

I guess my feeling is that tournaments are clearly a very important part of this site. It doesn't make sense to me for the site NOT to try to make a tournament organizer's job as easy and simple as possible, in the interests of the site's health. This seems like a very EASY way for the site to do so.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Timminz on Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:49 pm

I think you're over-estimating the importance of this mishap. It's a temporary inconvenience to a handful of people, and nothing more.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Woodruff on Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:06 pm

Timminz wrote:I think you're over-estimating the importance of this mishap. It's a temporary inconvenience to a handful of people, and nothing more.


A temporary inconvenience, absolutely...but it's a temporary inconvenience that is very easily avoided.

Again...are tournaments important to the site or are they not?
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Timminz on Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:09 pm

Woodruff wrote:Again...are tournaments important to the site or are they not?

Well, since you've drawn such a bold line in the sand, I'll take my leave from attempting to talk you down from your ledge. Enjoy shouting at the wall.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Woodruff on Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:11 pm

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Woodruff wrote:Again...are tournaments important to the site or are they not?


Well, since you've drawn such a bold line in the sand, I'll take my leave from attempting to talk you down from your ledge. Enjoy shouting at the wall.


Line in the sand? It's a simple question, and a perfectly valid one.

But run away if you'd like, I suppose.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Kotaro on Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:35 pm

Woodruff wrote:A temporary inconvenience, absolutely...but it's a temporary inconvenience that is very easily avoided.

Again...are tournaments important to the site or are they not?


It would also be nice if you could delete games for cheating, for multi's, for having bad luck, for someone winning solely on drop, etc, but yet, it hasn't been done. Why?

Lack will not delete games.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby Woodruff on Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:43 pm

Kotaro wrote:
Woodruff wrote:A temporary inconvenience, absolutely...but it's a temporary inconvenience that is very easily avoided.
Again...are tournaments important to the site or are they not?


It would also be nice if you could delete games for cheating, for multi's, for having bad luck, for someone winning solely on drop, etc, but yet, it hasn't been done. Why?
Lack will not delete games.


He wasn't going to do anything about farming either. Until he did.
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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby GenuineEarlGrey on Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:03 pm

Woodruff wrote:Specifics:
My latest tournament has found two entrants who apparently are unable or unwilling to read the very simple directions given to JOIN ONLY THE ONE GAME ASSIGNED TO YOU (because I have so many games in my tournament, they are sent out en masse). Instead, each of them attempted to join as many of my tournament games as they possibly could. This has caused a massive upheaval....

Devil's advocates mode: Did all the games have the same password?

Reality mode: People are stupid. Its why so many people spend time organising them.

Empathy mode: I'm really sorry for your loss in time and effort.... that sucks.

A la mode:Go have some ice cream.

Different angle mode: Is there any way that CC could create an interface to allow Tournament Manager to create games based on a input table? So rather than going through... map, options, tournament name etc etc the TM could create a dataset (Access table; spreadsheet; csv file) that would be submitted via the interface and create the games.

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Re: Deleting Tournament Games

Postby jpcloet on Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:21 pm

Here's and interesting thought, your tournament was so desirable he had to join all the games as he was so excited....

I know you want to save pm's but if you had sent smaller more direct pm's, it could have been avoided. I almost did the same thing as the email was a bit confusing. (I had to read the pm several times to make sure I was doing the right thing) Using Excel I'm sure you can find a way to template a message.

Also if you changed the format, like this, you'll get more stable responses.

Please join the game beside your name only

jpcloet Game 1

codierose Game 2

etc.
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