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Re: Point Wagering... betting. -= a new system =-

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:27 pm

Cicero makes some excellent points.


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Re: Point Wagering... betting. -= a new system =-

Postby mibi on Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:44 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Cicero makes some excellent points.


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No he doesn't. He seems to think winning a game requires only luck, like betting on horse racing. In order to win wagered points, you still have win your game.

Andy, did you even read his 'excellent points'?
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Re: Point Wagering... betting. -= a new system =-

Postby wcaclimbing on Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:36 am

mibi wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:Cicero makes some excellent points.


--Andy


No he doesn't. He seems to think winning a game requires only luck, like betting on horse racing. In order to win wagered points, you still have win your game.

Andy, did you even read his 'excellent points'?


I agree with Cicero also.
the scoreboard is supposed to represent how good you are at playing risk.
If you can gamble your points away, it screws the whole system, cause the guy up top might have just gotten lucky and won a 100 point bet game.
We're trying to bring the scoreboard closer to representing actual skill. adding gambling would drag it in completely the opposite direction.
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Re: Point Wagering... betting. -= a new system =-

Postby cicero on Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:26 am

mibi wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:Cicero makes some excellent points.

No he doesn't. He seems to think winning a game requires only luck, like betting on horse racing. In order to win wagered points, you still have win your game.

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I'm not suggesting that to win a game requires only luck. There is an element of luck in any one game, but over an extended series of games, a player's true skill shows through. Over an extended series of games if a player wins more games than luck alone would suggest then he/she is a better than average player (ignoring 'cheap' methods of obtaining points for the purposes of this thread). If over an extended series of games a player wins less games than luck would suggest then he/she is a weaker than average player. The current ranking system (notwithstanding its flaws which I am ready to acknowledge) reflects this and ranks change accordingly.

The core of the current rankling system mechanism (and this is a part that works well) is that the number of points won and lost in a game are directly related to the apparent relative skill levels of the players concerned. Remove this connection and you break ranking points as a concept.

A rank is by definition intended as an absolute measure of a player's ability. Hence a player of skill X will reach rank X over an extended period of games. Take me as an example. I play typically 6,7 or 8 player games and I win about 1 in 4. Which is better than luck alone would suggest and hence my rank is now pretty much stable at Sergeant 1st Class. That's because I now win about the same number of points in the 1 in 4 games that I win as I lose cumulatively in the other 3 of the 4. And that balance is produced by the current points formula.

As a better than average player if you change that formula and allow me to reap more points for winning my one game than I am due and lose fewer points than I am due in the other three then my points will continue to rise. Which of course it shouldn't because I'm not actually getting any better am I?

The converse is true for weaker than average players: Their ranks will continue to fall even though they not getting any worse.
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[Previously Rejected] Betting on matches

Postby amos_trask on Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:32 am

Placing bets on your matches:
    I have no idea about legalities, programming etc etc but I when using the interweb I use it for two main thing.... CC and Casinos.. well there are three, but that involves women contortionists, and I digress....

Specifics:
    I think it would be a great idea if you could place wages on your matches, ever played one of those "skill game" sites... play pool against some youth in Azerbyjan for a quid?

    I would love to be able to "put my money where my mouth is" on CC games you could wager an amount anything from 50p to £100 on your game, wagers are held by the "house" who may even wish to take a small cut?

    You would also have to specify ranks i guess to stop all you big hats taking everyones hard earned pennies.

    Like i say, its probably impossible... but imaging winning a tourney and not just thinkin woo i won a touney look at my wonderful rank... but woo i won a tourney and look i won 250quid to boot!

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
    Add an extra element of "risk"
    and well .......bump up my credit card bill
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Re: Betting on matches

Postby The Neon Peon on Sat Nov 22, 2008 9:34 am

CC is a non-gambling community and does not want to be related to gambling in any way.

If you want to go around wasting money I would suggest playing the lottery, or giving money to random people you find, which would be a better use for them.
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Re: Betting on matches

Postby Inhuman14 on Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:09 pm

If you read the forum guidelines you'd see that that is one of the few things that they ban here on the forums. If you want to bet on the games outside of the community, well, your life is your life, but CC will never endorse you in any way. Sorry.
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Re: Betting on matches

Postby amos_trask on Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:38 pm

Ahhhh maybe one for the scrapheap then..... just a thought....
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Re: Betting on matches

Postby Inhuman14 on Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:46 pm

Well, it wasn't an awful idea, but it's just against the mission of the site, you could say. Keep the thinking up. :-)
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Re: Betting on matches

Postby The Neon Peon on Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:19 pm

The problem with gambling on CC is that it raises a whole lot of issues for CC, and gives no benefits.

1. This will raise cheating a ton. Bet on a game, and cheat at it. You earn money.
2. This will raise a whole lot of complaints. Dice, secret alliances, people are going to want their points back etc.
3. This increases farming of the low ranked. Okay, a colonel is gambing $50 on a 1v1, a cook is also gambling $50 on the same map and settings... who's game do I join?
4. Legal issues.
5. The site will become even more unpleasant. None of us like to lose. We especially do not like to lose to dice. Now imaging losing a lot of money to dice...

Now, what are the benefits?
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Re: Betting on matches

Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:59 pm

Betting or gambling on/through CC is prohibitted. As pointed out, there are more drawbacks than benefits too allow it. Thanks for the suggestion though. :)


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Re: Point Wagering... betting. -= a new system =-

Postby Kotaro on Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:06 pm

Do want betting and gambling.
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Re: Point Wagering... betting. -= a new system =-

Postby Night Strike on Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:19 pm

Kotaro wrote:Do want betting and gambling.


Thank you for the VERY informative bump. :roll:
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Re: Point Wagering... betting. -= a new system =-

Postby Kotaro on Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:04 am

Night Strike wrote:
Kotaro wrote:Do want betting and gambling.


Thank you for the VERY informative bump. :roll:


Thanks for your very rude troll. Seems like you can't follow your own forum rules, unless trolling is OK when done by mods? High five for setting a good example.

This idea will be no more abused then the multi problem. Someone can easily make a multi these days and point dump; and it will be easy to limit the abuse done by this "gambling" system if there are simply limits put on the wagering limit.

edit: also, would teh idea of betting on others games be possible?
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Re: Point Wagering... betting. -= a new system =-

Postby owenshooter on Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:01 pm

Kotaro wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Kotaro wrote:Do want betting and gambling.


Thank you for the VERY informative bump. :roll:


Thanks for your very rude troll. Seems like you can't follow your own forum rules, unless trolling is OK when done by mods? High five for setting a good example.

This idea will be no more abused then the multi problem. Someone can easily make a multi these days and point dump; and it will be easy to limit the abuse done by this "gambling" system if there are simply limits put on the wagering limit.

edit: also, would teh idea of betting on others games be possible?

um... Special K, you bumped a thread after 8 months, after a mod had made a definitive post about the subject, with "Do want betting and gambling." :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: an 8 month bump without anything added except a funny typo? really? and then you get abusive towards Night Strike for his pointing this out? sigh... i'm going to miss you when you are gone...-0
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Re: Point Wagering... betting. -= a new system =-

Postby Kotaro on Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:09 pm

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot! Trolling is OKAY if someone else posts in a way you don't like. My apologies.

So how about them <insert football team name here>?
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Point wager games

Postby groblerg on Sun May 09, 2010 4:15 pm

Concise description:
  • Instead of learning how many points your lost/earned once the game was over, suppose you knew it before hand.

Specifics:
  • When creating a new game, the creator will able to specify how many points he's "putting on the table" for the game, any entrant to the game must match the creators offer. Thus when the game starts, participants will know how many points they stand to win or lose.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • It will create a new type of game, a poker type game for that matter - were the creator will in effect wager the amount of points they are willing to risk. Games with high "entry fees" might cause some players to stay away from the game as they don't want to risk their points and it should also mean that players will not want to miss their turn as the risk might be too grave.
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Re: Point wager games

Postby army of nobunaga on Sun May 09, 2010 4:24 pm

i love the idea, but CC has a hard enough time regulating cheaters as it is... this is a can of worms that probably can not be opened.
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Re: Point wager games

Postby edwinissweet on Sun May 09, 2010 4:47 pm

As AoN said, i do not see this happening in CC, ever.

Its been rejected alot before
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Re: Point wager games

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sun May 09, 2010 11:15 pm

This has been brought up many times, since the beginning of CC, one of the first suggestions made was to Wager points, but it has never been implemented, even getting the thumbs down from Lack himself.
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Betting your points

Postby dhud101 on Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:31 am

It would be cool if players could "bet" their points. They could not do this on every game. My thought was the following conditions ONLY:

2 Player
Private Game
"Bet" cannot exceed 10% of players points
Must have at least 500 points


This is just a thought. I sent this out to a few people and they seem to like the idea.
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Re: Betting your points

Postby blakebowling on Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:05 am

If this would happen, these are the restrictions I see feasible.
Max 100 Points per bet. (as it is the max points changed per game now)
Each player must bet the exact same amount
Players may only wage against each other so often (eg daily / weekly) to prevent abuse
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Re: Betting your points

Postby greenoaks on Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:13 am

this is not a gambling site.

move this to rejected like it has been every other time this has been suggested.
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Re: Betting your points

Postby jammyjames on Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:44 pm

I think it is a good idea, it enables players to play games for 1 point.. great for learning games and equalling play through the ranks.
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Re: Betting your points

Postby greenoaks on Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:22 pm

jammyjames wrote:I think it is a good idea, it enables players to play games for 1 point.. great for learning games and equalling play through the ranks.

great for farming too.

higher ranks playing for the same points as lower ranks even though their skill levels are not equal.
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