Kiz Mini Ryder Cup Dubs [8/8] FINISHED

by **Chewie1** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:51 am

kizkiz wrote:Just going through the scores and rule breaks for the chewie/notyou2 vs mint murray/CC
Vanilla score was 12-8 to mint/cc

We have 12 hour rule breaks in
route 66 - he did nothing chewie/notyou could have seen, so no need for 12 hour wait
third crusade - rule breakers lost game anyway
labyrinth - he did nothing chewie/notyou could have seen, so no need for 12 hour wait
classic - match forfeited by mint/cc for breaking 12 hour rule and not clearly rectifying it.

So revised score is 11-9 - winners still mint murray/CC

Firstly congratulations to mint and cc for beating us.
But just to play devils advocate Kiz, this is just an observation and I'm not asking for the results to be overturned as i'm really not bothered but some people would be.
In route 66 and labyrinth they broke the rules and the result stands! So whats the point of the 12 hour fog rule. Its why I think the 12 hour fog rule is meaningless as in those 2 games the fact remains it had absolutely no bearing on the outcome of the game, but if this had been a clan war involving say Kort and AFOS they would (possibly) demand that the 2 games be forfeited (Or replayed) because rules are rules.
Basically outlines should be made in OP for stages of punishment.
Like I say just an observation as I think this is your first tourney, and something you could bear in mind for future ones.

Thanks for hosting its a good idea for a tourney and i enjoyed the first round.

Good luck to those of you who made it through.

by **kizkiz** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:27 am

Chewie, i agree that i could have made it clearer, which has been rectified in round 2.
Not sure why the breaks that didn't do anything matter though? You want them to post "I took a territ you can't see from a territ you can't see"?
I regularly take a turn early with 12 hour rule if there's no point waiting, in both clan and tourneys. Never been an issue
I can see where you're coming from, and i'll bear it in mind for future tourneys.
thanks for playing

by **mint-murray** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:16 am

Okay firstly I have given our opponents 5 rating on the games - and will not lower myself and change this, just because Chewie is incessantly whingeing.

As for 12 hour fog rule, I am aware of this due to Clan Games - however I was unaware that this rule was in place in this tournament and do not believe any reminder was sent out prior to tournament starting (although I may be wrong on this).
Game play is game play - and it really shouldn't make any difference in long wrong, they did not use BOB - so you play on instinct and make moves based on what makes sense - not the fact someone took a turn when only 8 hours and 26 minutes had elapsed.
As for applying punishment - is it acceptable that this was applied in retrospect ???: when no action was stated at start of tournament. If it was such an issue why did they not ask for games to be restarted rather than having an expectation they would win games through default and not their actual performance.

Well it would appear that even with punishments applied we are winners - I am sure Chewie is still annoyed that we have not been forcefully ejected from the tournament, VVV will oblige with a Clan War if vengeance and closure is required. With or without 12 hour fog rule, he can decide.

by **kizkiz** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:19 am

12 hour fog rule was in place prior to start of tournament and was discussed in this thread also.
Anyway, it's in the headers for the next round, so no excuses

by **mint-murray** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:40 am

No worries.

by **Chewie1** on Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:11 am

mint-murray wrote:Okay firstly I have given our opponents 5 rating on the games - and will not lower myself and change this, just because Chewie is incessantly whingeing.

As for 12 hour fog rule, I am aware of this due to Clan Games - however I was unaware that this rule was in place in this tournament and do not believe any reminder was sent out prior to tournament starting (although I may be wrong on this).
Game play is game play - and it really shouldn't make any difference in long wrong, they did not use BOB - so you play on instinct and make moves based on what makes sense - not the fact someone took a turn when only 8 hours and 26 minutes had elapsed.
As for applying punishment - is it acceptable that this was applied in retrospect ???: when no action was stated at start of tournament. If it was such an issue why did they not ask for games to be restarted rather than having an expectation they would win games through default and not their actual performance.

Well it would appear that even with punishments applied we are winners - I am sure Chewie is still annoyed that we have not been forcefully ejected from the tournament, VVV will oblige with a Clan War if vengeance and closure is required. With or without 12 hour fog rule, he can decide.

Mint you are misunderstanding me.
I have not once asked for you to be forcefully ejected, I did ask in an earlier post what the punishment was!
We just pointed out that rules were broken.
We could debate this all day but we lost end of, I'm not interested in having a war of words cause its only a game.... but a war with you guys in the future would be cool?