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Re: Israel

PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 3:14 am
by jusplay4fun
bigtoughralf wrote:The head of Doctors Without Borders has today singled out the US Government for severe criticism, reprimanding it for repeatedly blocking UN resolutions that would require the IDF to observe a ceasefire in Gaza:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-02-22/

The Israeli invasion has now killed nearly 30,000 Gazans. The US continues to shield Israel from punishment. Palestinian children continue to die in their beds.


Do you mean the children (and women) the Hamas fighters hide behind? Those human shields? Hamas needs better shields to avoid such casualties. Hamas fighters look like wimps and cowards to this observer, ralph.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:39 pm
by bigtoughralf
Every human rights lawyer, expert and world leader: 'Israel is committing atrocities in Gaza'

CC poster justplay4fun: 'Hamas is forcing Israel to commit atrocities in Gaza'

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 1:22 am
by jusplay4fun
bigtoughralf wrote:Every human rights lawyer, expert and world leader: 'Israel is committing atrocities in Gaza'

CC poster justplay4fun: 'Hamas is forcing Israel to commit atrocities a measured response to atrocities committed by Hamas in Gaza Israel.


Now FIXED

Another stupid and silly attempt at a refutation by weak ralph. "Every"..?? NO.

ralph, stop IGNORING the truth that Hamas hides behinds their women and children, COWARDLY Hamas. You never respond to that BASIC TRUTH.

wrong name, ralph.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:21 am
by Pack Rat
Justplaywithhimself, there you go again with your word salad of words. I see you use refutation again.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 9:57 am
by Dukasaur
bigtoughralf wrote:Every human rights lawyer, expert and world leader: 'Israel is committing atrocities in Gaza'

CC poster justplay4fun: 'Hamas is forcing Israel to commit atrocities in Gaza'


In this case, jp4f is confirmed by a multitude of experts.

Quick look at the wikipedia article:
White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby said that the United States has intelligence indicating that Hamas is using the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City for military purposes, possibly for weapon storage and also for holding captives

DW military analyst Frank Ledwidge has said that "it's been described... as 'common knowledge' that many of the headquarters [of Hamas] are located under hospitals... [with] entries and exits in places like mosques or schools... [or even] UN facilities... that's why we've seen... so many non-combatant casualties so far".[63]

According to Daphne Richemond-Barak, associate professor of counter-terrorism at Reichman University and author of the 2017 book Underground Warfare, Hamas militants operate under Al-Shifa Hospital gain "the highest level of protection available under the laws of war", as well as a "unique opportunity to operate far from surveillance drones, GPS, and other intelligence-gathering technology". She added that "in Gaza, tunnels are dug in civilian homes, pass under entire neighbourhoods, and lead into populated areas inside Israel... [which] enables Hamas to conceal entry and exit points, and facilitates undetected movement and activity."

Avi Issacharoff has said that Hamas militants are "under the houses and neighborhoods of Gaza City, hoping that Israel won't attack them because they're hiding underneath human shields, and that if Israel will attack those neighborhoods, it'll kill many civilians, and the whole world is going to accuse Israel for war crimes". "The sad thing about all this", Issacharoff said, "is [that] Hamas doesn't care about their own people" and aims "not only to kill Israelis but for as many Palestinian civilians [casualties as well]"

During a UN Security Council meeting on the Middle East held on 24 October 2023, UK Minister of State for Security, Tom Tugendhat, asserted, "We know that Hamas are using innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields; they have embedded themselves in civilian communities."


(all of the above sourced from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_human_shields_by_Hamas and footnoted therein.)

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:15 am
by jusplay4fun
Thanks, Duk.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 10:16 am
by jusplay4fun
Pack Rat wrote:Justplaywithhimself, there you go again with your word salad of words. I see you use refutation again.


It seems that you do not know its meaning, p-rat.

refutation
the action of proving a statement or theory to be wrong or false.
"scientific theory is always tentative, open to refutation"


What is an example of refutation?

Refutation refers to the act of proving a statement or theory wrong through the use of logical reasoning and evidence.

Refutation Example (2024)
By highlighting exceptions that contradict the claim, the argument's validity is diminished. Example: If someone argues, “All politicians are corrupt,” you could refute it by highlighting politicians known for their integrity and conviction

https://helpfulprofessor.com/refutation-examples/#google_vignette

Refutations are not MERE opinions, that you offer, but are supported with evidence, data, logic, and recognized enlightened sources. You. p-rat, rarely, if ever, offer ANY such worthy rebuttals.

And this is another adhominen attack by the vacuous p-rat. A PATHETIC REFUTATION RESPONSE; correction, not that level, but it is another pointless and feeble response.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 5:48 pm
by HitRed
February 24, 24 Adoration

My glory is from ages past. My glory has yet been seen by all who believe and nonbelievers alike. My glory surpasses anything that man can create. My glory comes from the Father of all, the Almighty Father and God of all people and nations. Commit your life to following me the Lord God of all. I am the way and the life, says the Lord God of Hosts. Follow me closely. Be not afraid I tell you I am the Lord your God.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 6:28 pm
by Pack Rat
HitRed wrote:
February 24, 24 Adoration

My glory is from ages past. My glory has yet been seen by all who believe and nonbelievers alike. My glory surpasses anything that man can create. My glory comes from the Father of all, the Almighty Father and God of all people and nations. Commit your life to following me the Lord God of all. I am the way and the life, says the Lord God of Hosts. Follow me closely. Be not afraid I tell you I am the Lord your God.



...me thinks, you're in the wrong thread...

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:09 pm
by bigtoughralf
jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:Every human rights lawyer, expert and world leader: 'Israel is committing atrocities in Gaza'

CC poster justplay4fun: 'Hamas is forcing Israel to commit atrocities a measured response to atrocities committed by Hamas in Gaza Israel.


Now FIXED

Another stupid and silly attempt at a refutation by weak ralph. "Every"..?? NO.

ralph, stop IGNORING the truth that Hamas hides behinds their women and children, COWARDLY Hamas. You never respond to that BASIC TRUTH.

wrong name, ralph.


21,000 dead women and children and the destruction of 70% of Gaza's housing is what you call a 'measured response'?

If all those women and children had Hamas fighters hiding behind them, how come the attacks which killed those children didn't also kill Hamas fighters?

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 7:29 pm
by Dukasaur
bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:Every human rights lawyer, expert and world leader: 'Israel is committing atrocities in Gaza'

CC poster justplay4fun: 'Hamas is forcing Israel to commit atrocities a measured response to atrocities committed by Hamas in Gaza Israel.


Now FIXED

Another stupid and silly attempt at a refutation by weak ralph. "Every"..?? NO.

ralph, stop IGNORING the truth that Hamas hides behinds their women and children, COWARDLY Hamas. You never respond to that BASIC TRUTH.

wrong name, ralph.


21,000 dead women and children and the destruction of 70% of Gaza's housing is what you call a 'measured response'?

If all those women and children had Hamas fighters hiding behind them, how come the attacks which killed those children didn't also kill Hamas fighters?


How do you know they didn't?

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:10 am
by jusplay4fun
Dukasaur wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:Every human rights lawyer, expert and world leader: 'Israel is committing atrocities in Gaza'

CC poster justplay4fun: 'Hamas is forcing Israel to commit atrocities a measured response to atrocities committed by Hamas in Gaza Israel.


Now FIXED

Another stupid and silly attempt at a refutation by weak ralph. "Every"..?? NO.

ralph, stop IGNORING the truth that Hamas hides behinds their women and children, COWARDLY Hamas. You never respond to that BASIC TRUTH.

wrong name, ralph.


21,000 dead women and children and the destruction of 70% of Gaza's housing is what you call a 'measured response'?

If all those women and children had Hamas fighters hiding behind them, how come the attacks which killed those children didn't also kill Hamas fighters?


How do you know they didn't?


Exactly, the Hamas Health Ministry does NOT differentiate civilians vs fighters.

RAFAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — More than 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in the Gaza Strip since the start of the Israel-Hamas war, the territory’s Health Ministry said Monday, marking another grim milestone in the deadliest round of violence in the history of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

(...)
The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its records, but says around two-thirds of those killed were women and children. More than 69,000 Palestinians have been wounded, overwhelming the territory’s hospitals, less than half of which are even partially functioning.

(...)
Israel says it has killed over 10,000 Palestinian militants, without providing evidence. The military says it tries to avoid harming civilians and blames the high death toll on Hamas because the militant group fights in dense residential neighborhoods. The military says 236 of its soldiers have been killed since the start of the ground offensive in late October.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/more-than-29000-palestinians-have-been-killed-in-gaza-since-wars-start-health-ministry-says

There are many other such sources, most quoting the Palestinian Health Ministry; here is one:

https://www.voanews.com/a/gaza-death-toll-climbs-above-26-000-health-ministry-reports/7458258.html

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2024 10:44 am
by Pack Rat
There won't be peace in Israel or in the Palestinian areas, until Netanyahu and HAMAS are gone and destroyed!

Netanyahu is a fucking fascist and HAMAS is a terrorist organization that rapes, kidnaps and murders civilians.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2024 11:35 am
by bigtoughralf
Dukasaur wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:Every human rights lawyer, expert and world leader: 'Israel is committing atrocities in Gaza'

CC poster justplay4fun: 'Hamas is forcing Israel to commit atrocities a measured response to atrocities committed by Hamas in Gaza Israel.


Now FIXED

Another stupid and silly attempt at a refutation by weak ralph. "Every"..?? NO.

ralph, stop IGNORING the truth that Hamas hides behinds their women and children, COWARDLY Hamas. You never respond to that BASIC TRUTH.

wrong name, ralph.


21,000 dead women and children and the destruction of 70% of Gaza's housing is what you call a 'measured response'?

If all those women and children had Hamas fighters hiding behind them, how come the attacks which killed those children didn't also kill Hamas fighters?


How do you know they didn't?


Basic maths.

Even if the 9,000 men killed in Gaza have all been Hamas fighters, that's far less than the 21,000 women and children the IDF have killed.

Or are you saying you think:
  • All 9,000 men killed in Gaza have been fighters - 0 adult male civilian deaths
  • Those 9,000 fighters were using a combined total of 21,000 women and children as human shields at the exact moment they were killed
  • Those 9,000 men and 21,000 were sheltering in 70% of Gaza's housing stock, plus almost all of Gaza's hospitals, schools, and refugee camps when they were killed?

In which case I think your argument is that Hamas employs an army of giants so large that the only way to kill them is to bomb every last square inch of Gaza.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:47 pm
by Lonous
Remember when the Nazis called jews and slavs subhumans and then we labeled them war criminals and held trials?
Lets see if that is still the gold standard of human rights, or if things have magically changed for some reason.

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Re: Israel

PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2024 11:10 pm
by HitRed
February 25, 24 XLT Adoration

Continue to do my will. You are close, search your heart. I am here I never leave. My words are true brightening the heart. You know what must be done. Continue my will and I will be with you. I call you to my heart.


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Re: Israel

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:09 am
by riskllama
lol, HR...XLT's are for poor people. you gotta go w/the Lariat, imo. if you wanna show off, get the King Ranch...*shrugs*

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:24 am
by Dukasaur
HR please don't double post everything.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:36 am
by kennyp72
jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:The head of Doctors Without Borders has today singled out the US Government for severe criticism, reprimanding it for repeatedly blocking UN resolutions that would require the IDF to observe a ceasefire in Gaza:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 024-02-22/

The Israeli invasion has now killed nearly 30,000 Gazans. The US continues to shield Israel from punishment. Palestinian children continue to die in their beds.


Do you mean the children (and women) the Hamas fighters hide behind? Those human shields? Hamas needs better shields to avoid such casualties. Hamas fighters look like wimps and cowards to this observer, ralph.


Oh my.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:40 am
by kennyp72
bigtoughralf wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:
bigtoughralf wrote:Every human rights lawyer, expert and world leader: 'Israel is committing atrocities in Gaza'

CC poster justplay4fun: 'Hamas is forcing Israel to commit atrocities a measured response to atrocities committed by Hamas in Gaza Israel.


Now FIXED

Another stupid and silly attempt at a refutation by weak ralph. "Every"..?? NO.

ralph, stop IGNORING the truth that Hamas hides behinds their women and children, COWARDLY Hamas. You never respond to that BASIC TRUTH.

wrong name, ralph.


21,000 dead women and children and the destruction of 70% of Gaza's housing is what you call a 'measured response'?

If all those women and children had Hamas fighters hiding behind them, how come the attacks which killed those children didn't also kill Hamas fighters?


How do you know they didn't?


Basic maths.

Even if the 9,000 men killed in Gaza have all been Hamas fighters, that's far less than the 21,000 women and children the IDF have killed.

Or are you saying you think:
  • All 9,000 men killed in Gaza have been fighters - 0 adult male civilian deaths
  • Those 9,000 fighters were using a combined total of 21,000 women and children as human shields at the exact moment they were killed
  • Those 9,000 men and 21,000 were sheltering in 70% of Gaza's housing stock, plus almost all of Gaza's hospitals, schools, and refugee camps when they were killed?

In which case I think your argument is that Hamas employs an army of giants so large that the only way to kill them is to bomb every last square inch of Gaza.


No response to this from the sickening genocide apologists I see.

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:14 pm
by bigtoughralf
Ahmad al-Ghuferi lost 103 family members in a single airstrike conducted on their family home by the IDF, including his wife, children, mother, four of his siblings, and dozens of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws.

When survivors returned to the rubble to try to retrieve bodies, IDF helicopters hovered overhead shooting at them.

No doubt jp4 will be happy to learn that the 9-day-old Hamas operative and 98-year-old Hamas matriarch hiding among them were also killed in the attack:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68400453

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:48 pm
by Pack Rat
Sad time for all innocents. Where were your tears for the 1200 hundred men, women and children who were raped, tortured and murdered by HAMAS? How about the 200 plus hostages? Many of them who were raped?

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:14 pm
by saxitoxin
Pack Rat wrote:Sad time for all innocents. Where were your tears for the 1200 hundred men, women and children who were raped, tortured and murdered by HAMAS? How about the 200 plus hostages? Many of them who were raped?


no credible evidence of a single rape has ever been provided - talking points of the right-wing extremist Netanyahu regime

Re: Israel

PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:16 pm
by saxitoxin
Biden today, slowly backing away, when asked questions about "Israel" ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-amNKbkOvNI

he's now a living meme

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Re: Israel

PostPosted: Thu Feb 29, 2024 2:46 pm
by Pack Rat
saxitoxin wrote:
Pack Rat wrote:Sad time for all innocents. Where were your tears for the 1200 hundred men, women and children who were raped, tortured and murdered by HAMAS? How about the 200 plus hostages? Many of them who were raped?


no credible evidence of a single rape has ever been provided - talking points of the right-wing extremist Netanyahu regime



Not a single shred of evidence of the b.s. you spit out here.