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jonesthecurl wrote:We've done the one about "fulfilled prophecies". I'm still waiting for the "secualr historians" that tell how much Judas got paid, and for any corroborating evidence for the existence of Jesus, let alone his divinity or fulfilled prophecies.
premio53 wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:We've done the one about "fulfilled prophecies". I'm still waiting for the "secualr historians" that tell how much Judas got paid, and for any corroborating evidence for the existence of Jesus, let alone his divinity or fulfilled prophecies.
"I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him." Napoleon Bonaparte
crispybits wrote:And Napoleon Boneparte is an authority on theology since when?
Don't you ever, I don't know, think and form your own posts instead of producing random, meaningless and irrelevant quotes that have no bearing whatsoever on the dicsussion.
I'm going to try one last time premio - it's a very simple, open question. There's no trap in there, there's no trick question where whichever way you answer it I go off into one and prove you wrong somehow, it's just a genuine (and importantly on-topic) expression of curiosity.
Do you care if what you believe is true? And if you do, how do you know that what you profess to believe about God is true?
crispybits wrote:Sometimes I wonder (and I mean no offence to Player or Daddygringo or the other decent conversationalist theists on here with this) if some religious folk on the internet are actually early stage AI experiments, because whenever you ask a straight question they start tap-dancing and skirting the issue and never actually just give a very basic, honest answer. It sure as hell would be a good way to test out which algorithms work and which don't for the programmers....
crispybits wrote:Sometimes I wonder (and I mean no offence to Player or Daddygringo or the other decent conversationalist theists on here with this) if some religious folk on the internet are actually early stage AI experiments, because whenever you ask a straight question they start tap-dancing and skirting the issue and never actually just give a very basic, honest answer. It sure as hell would be a good way to test out which algorithms work and which don't for the programmers....
premio53 wrote:crispybits wrote:Sometimes I wonder (and I mean no offence to Player or Daddygringo or the other decent conversationalist theists on here with this) if some religious folk on the internet are actually early stage AI experiments, because whenever you ask a straight question they start tap-dancing and skirting the issue and never actually just give a very basic, honest answer. It sure as hell would be a good way to test out which algorithms work and which don't for the programmers....
You mean tap dancing about how is it impossible for spontaneous generation to take place and then do a 180 and explain how it might be possible after all by changing the wording "spontaneous generation" to "abiogenesis" or denying that there is a Creator when we see design all around us in the universe? Contradictions like that?
Do you care if what you believe is the truth?
The Koran is false!
Do you care if what you believe is the truth?
The chances of all these things that didn't actually happen to have happened are impossible!
Do you care if what you believe is the truth?
Napoleon believed in Jesus!
Do you care if what you believe is the truth?
The Jesus story inpsired lots of people!
*gives up*
Tries (and fails) to semantically shift the flaws in the argument from design onto simple scientific semantics
premio53 wrote:crispybits wrote:And Napoleon Boneparte is an authority on theology since when?
Don't you ever, I don't know, think and form your own posts instead of producing random, meaningless and irrelevant quotes that have no bearing whatsoever on the dicsussion.
I'm going to try one last time premio - it's a very simple, open question. There's no trap in there, there's no trick question where whichever way you answer it I go off into one and prove you wrong somehow, it's just a genuine (and importantly on-topic) expression of curiosity.
Do you care if what you believe is true? And if you do, how do you know that what you profess to believe about God is true?
I will give you one last thing to think about. I have no desire to force you to accept something against your own will. You can weigh the evidence. The uniqueness of Jesus Christ is proof in itself.
""Socrates taught for 40 years, Plato for 50, Aristotle for 40, and Jesus for only 3. Yet the influence of Christ's 3-year ministry infinitely transcends the impact left by the combined 130 years of teaching from these men who were among the greatest phioosophers of all antiquity. Jesus painted no pictures; yet, some of the finest paintings of Raphael, Michelangelo, and Leonardo da Vinci received their inspiration from Him.
"Jesus wrote no poetry; but Dante, Milton, and scores of the world's greatest poets were inspired by Him. Jesus composed no music; still Haydn, Handel, Beethoven, Bach, and Mendelssohn reached their highest perfection of melody in the hymns, symphonies, and oratories they composed in His praise. Every sphere of human greatness has been enriched by this humble Carpenter of Nazareth." The Evidence Bible
What is required of you or anyone else? Nothing but repentance and faith in the sacrifice of the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
Sounds like the Bible hit that 1.
Not saying Im right or wrong
premio wrote:The chances of the many prophecies in the Bible had as much chance of coming true as putting a piece of meat in a sealed jar and watching life spontaneous generate some time in the next hundred billion years.
"I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him." Napoleon Bonaparte
PLAYER57832 wrote:To put it another way, faith is only part about serving God in and of itself. It is also about how we are who we are, growing into what we should be. The journey each of us has differs. So, the words and messages we hear will differ, too. Just as a parent must recognize that a child gifted in music has very different needs than a child gifted in sports (not to say you cannot be gifted in both!), so is God able to recognize that our needs differ. I know of parents who make their kids garden as punishment... and others who take the shovel and rake away as punishment. Waht is the overall standard? That punishment should be unpleasant, to teach that doing what is right is less painful than doing what is wrong. That ultimate goal is the same for every parent, but how we go about it differs highly indeed... in fact, even our views of right and wrong might differ, though that is another story.
warmonger1981 wrote:How about I say I'm right when it happens. Until then I look like a fool and will be lost in your memory. But if I'm right. Aaagghh shit.
crispybits wrote:warmonger1981 wrote:How about I say I'm right when it happens. Until then I look like a fool and will be lost in your memory. But if I'm right. Aaagghh shit.
Yep sure, you'll get no disagreement from me.
I'm going to predict right now that the Green Bay Packers will win the superbowl every year for five years between 2025 and 2029. God gave me a vision last night as I slept that this would come to pass. How about we say I'm right until that happens. Are you going to go out and place any sort of wager on that? The supposed stakes with your "assume I'm right" statement are much, much higher (for example if you're wrong and Islam / Judaism / other are the correct path to God, then I'm screwed if I chose to believe in the Christian myths)
Viceroy63 wrote:In order for a human being to exist after death in some spiritual dimension, the human being in question must first be of a spiritual existence in the first place, and this is simply not so. Not according to the Bible it isn't.
"And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
-Genesis 2:7
Man is a physical and mortal, corporeal (dirt of the ground) entity, "A Living Soul" and not an eternally existing spiritual being. Otherwise the Bible would plainly say so and it does not.
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