warmonger1981 wrote:Didnt say I was a believer in religion did I? Didn't think so. Also didn't say I believed completely in science. And no this life we Think we live Could be all a dream. I mean how does anyone know this is all nothing more than a dream? I guess what I'm saying is no one can say for sure. All the information in the world will neither prove for or against religion or science. That's where faith comes into play. Scientists THINK their right or have faith in the end answer. If science is so right then why are there still billions of believers in religion if it is so easily proven false?
Actually you did say you are a believer in religion:
warmonger1981 wrote:I am a man of faith by the way and thats all I have.
From this thread:
Ever read any Descartes by any chance?
All the information we have that is coming down on one side or the other if the question is "what can teach us more about how the universe works?" is coming down on the side of science.
There is no information to come down on either side if the question is "What made the universe start?". Religions make claims about their stories but none that I have seen has ever provided a scrap of actual evidence. Science doesn't even try to give an answer, as it's outside of it's remit. Talk to any astrophysicist and they'll tell you the furthest back we can go with current theories is a few millionths of a second after the big bang.
If there is such a thing as "faith in science" then it's not faith that our scientific ANSWERS are correct. It's faith that our scientific METHOD is correct. And even then faith is the wrong word, because faith is belief without evidence, and we have so much evidence that the scientific method works to constantly allow us to better our understanding of the universe. In fact, the very post you made in this thread and others is part of that. Without scientific advances in electronics, materials science, algorithmic mathematics and hundreds of other various basic and advanced techniques we'd still be writing this conversation to each other on cave walls with ground up plant dyes.
If you really don't "believe in science" then turn off your computer, turn off any electric lights, take your clothes off because chances are they are made of semi-synthetic fabrics (unless your wear 100% silk and cotton), don't watch TV, don't read printed books, only hand written ones, walk (or ride a horse/donkey) to work tomorrow and when you get there don't use any computers or machinery. I hope you don't need glasses or contact lenses because without science you wouldn't be able to see clearly. No beer either, brewing is just a by-product of chemistry. When you have lunch you better make sure it's fresh from the farm and cooked over a fire or in a wood oven rather than in an electric/gas oven. Throw your mobile phone away as that's just faith based too. But of course there's no evidence that science is right, just an entire global infrastructure that, when you consider it's complexity, is a "miracle" in and of itself that it doesn't just fall over and fail given that science is just "faith".