Ray Rider wrote:
oss spy wrote:Premise
God knows what you'll choose in the future
You can't change what you'll choose in the future
Your conclusion doesn't logically follow the premise.
It actually does. You may think that you're changing your mind, but God already knows in advance that you're going to change it. Thus, you aren't really changing the future because God knows that it will happen.
If God knows exactly what you're going to do, then how are you changing the future? I'll dish out another example.
Let's say that you can't decide between tea and coffee. You like both of them but for different reasons; coffee keeps you awake and tea tastes great. Right now you're craving tea's taste but are tired and not ready to go to sleep. What do you do? At first, you go for the coffee because you have work to do and want to do it right. However, there's no point in working while you're unhappy and alert so you decide to go for the tea. Then again, you don't want to have to do it later and decide that coffee is the best decision. But, if you choose the coffee, you'll be drinking the last of it and will have to make a new pot - you have work to do and don't want any more distractions. Thus, you go for the tea because there's plenty left.
In this scenario, you changed your mind a total of four times. From your perspective, the future was shrouded in fog. You knew that there was something
to choose. You think that you chose your own path because you can't see in the distance. However
, God is not limited by this fog. He knows what lies beyond your limited field of vision. He knows already that you're going to choose tea and that you're going to spend the next fifteen minutes trying to decide what you want. While you're stuck figuring out what to do, God already knows what the end result is going to be. You think you have free will because you don't know what will happen, but God knows exactly what you will choose and therefore you don't actually have free will - you can't change the future because someone knows what it will be.
Think of it like a game of Clue: the players don't know who is the killer. From their point of view, it could be anyone. However, once you take a look inside the pouch containing the cards, all of the possibilities collapse to zero except for the one person who did it. Knowing
removes all probability. God knows
everything, and therefore the probability of any other event collapses to zero.
There's not a 50% chance of choosing tea or coffee. God knows, with 100% certainty, that you're going to choose the tea.
There is no free will if God is omniscient.
2012-04-05 19:05:58 - Eagle Orion: For the record, my supposed irrationality has kept me in the game well enough. Just in rather bizaare fashion.
2012-04-05 19:06:28 - nathanmoore04: Look at your troop count...