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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Tue May 21, 2013 2:00 pm

CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.




The human female ovum (egg) has a shell around it to seal and protect the chromosomes from being fertilized by the wrong kind of creature. There is only one kind of creature on earth that has the proper enzyme to dissolve this shell for fertilization. It's the human male.

At the tip of the spermatozoa, is a capitulate enzyme that when it comes in contact with the ovum shell, this enzyme dissolves the shell for fertilization.

No other creature on earth has this enzyme to dissolve the human ovum for fertilization.

In fact each kind of animal, the male of that kind, is the only creature on earth that has the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of their female kind for fertilization. For example: all male dogs have the enzyme for all female dogs.
And all male equine have the enzyme to dissolve the female ovum shell of only their female same kind.

Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).

But since all mankind was created in the image of God, God sealed His creation, protected His creation. So that even when mankind practiced beastiality, God's creation of His own image, would remain pure, clean, sealed, protected.

Since we are created in the image of God, we perform the same acts with our creations:
When humans write a book, to protect their book, they will copyright it.
When humans paint a painting, they will sign the bottom corner to seal it and protect their ownership.
When an inventor invents something, they will patent their invention to seal it, protect it.

You wanted evidence, this is very strong evidence.
Sincerely,
Dr. Lawrence
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue May 21, 2013 3:29 pm

universalchiro wrote:Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).


I'd like to hear more about these points, Dr. Lawrence. Could you elaborate?


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby waauw on Tue May 21, 2013 3:34 pm

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


The human female ovum (egg) has a shell around it to seal and protect the chromosomes from being fertilized by the wrong kind of creature. There is only one kind of creature on earth that has the proper enzyme to dissolve this shell for fertilization. It's the human male.

At the tip of the spermatozoa, is a capitulate enzyme that when it comes in contact with the ovum shell, this enzyme dissolves the shell for fertilization.

No other creature on earth has this enzyme to dissolve the human ovum for fertilization.

In fact each kind of animal, the male of that kind, is the only creature on earth that has the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of their female kind for fertilization. For example: all male dogs have the enzyme for all female dogs.
And all male equine have the enzyme to dissolve the female ovum shell of only their female same kind.

Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).

But since all mankind was created in the image of God, God sealed His creation, protected His creation. So that even when mankind practiced beastiality, God's creation of His own image, would remain pure, clean, sealed, protected.

Since we are created in the image of God, we perform the same acts with our creations:
When humans write a book, to protect their book, they will copyright it.
When humans paint a painting, they will sign the bottom corner to seal it and protect their ownership.
When an inventor invents something, they will patent their invention to seal it, protect it.

You wanted evidence, this is very strong evidence.
Sincerely,
Dr. Lawrence


Before I answer you, I want you to know I'm not an expert in biology. It is not my field of expertise. So if I overlook something or if I make some mistake, please let me know. I'm glad to learn more if I can.

Anyway you state that Darwin's theory doesn't add up because of the fact that animals can't crossbreed because of some enzyme. However if that very enzyme would mutate, as animals do in time, doesn't that mean the enzyme stops working? Or if I would rephrase this, doesn't that mean that evolution is the cause of animals not being able to crossbreed?

As far as I understand animal reproduction functions a bit similar to gravity. The further you are from the gravitational field the less influence that field will have on you. So the more animals have mutated away from each other, the higher the probability that they won't be able to mate. The reason for this being that the the probability of their enzymes or membranes having mutated might have mutated too.

The problem is in fact that to fully comprehend how animals functions, one ought to understand the entire DNA-sequence of the creature. However science hasn't gotten that far yet. We are still decades away from fully mapping our own DNA-sequence(and especially from having clear insights into them), let alone those of other animals. So why state that it is proof of there being a god if the basic building blocks of our body aren't even understood? In my honest opinion, the best we can do is say "I don't know".

Another point I'd like to bring to your attention is that if we do assume life on earth was created(just an assumption). What proves that we were created by a divine entity(I interpret it as all powerfull and all knowing). Why not believe we were created by aliens? Even if you got conclusive proof that animals were intelligently designed, you still have no proof of who did it.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Tue May 21, 2013 3:47 pm

But don't you guys know that evolution REQUIRES cross-breeding!!!

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=184550&p=4076191#p4076191

(the argument has already been thoroughly dealt with, followed by some ramblings about radioactive decay (backed up by "evidence" that has nothing to do with radioactive decay) and then a general rant about how you can't believe the bible is true unless you make a decision before you read it that it's all true, and only then does it appear to be true to you (paraphrased from 1 Corinthians 2:10-16))

Also, I hope you never advertise for patients on here "Dr Lawrence", because unless you have a PHD or MD (in which case chances are you wouldn't be a chiropractor), you could end up in hot water for using that particular name for yourself.

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue May 21, 2013 3:54 pm

crispybits wrote:Sincerley,
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High Chief Admiral of the Seventh Imperial Fleet (HCA of 7th IF), could you elaborate more on this position? Also, can I be your yeoman?


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Tue May 21, 2013 3:57 pm

Due to cutbacks it mostly involves making tea.

I don't have the budget for extra staff, you can have an unpaid intern position though. I'll throw in a banana at the end of each week from my own wage if your work is satisfactory.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Nordik on Tue May 21, 2013 4:03 pm

universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


The human female ovum (egg) has a shell around it to seal and protect the chromosomes from being fertilized by the wrong kind of creature. There is only one kind of creature on earth that has the proper enzyme to dissolve this shell for fertilization. It's the human male.

At the tip of the spermatozoa, is a capitulate enzyme that when it comes in contact with the ovum shell, this enzyme dissolves the shell for fertilization.

No other creature on earth has this enzyme to dissolve the human ovum for fertilization.

In fact each kind of animal, the male of that kind, is the only creature on earth that has the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of their female kind for fertilization. For example: all male dogs have the enzyme for all female dogs.
And all male equine have the enzyme to dissolve the female ovum shell of only their female same kind.

Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).

But since all mankind was created in the image of God, God sealed His creation, protected His creation. So that even when mankind practiced beastiality, God's creation of His own image, would remain pure, clean, sealed, protected.

Since we are created in the image of God, we perform the same acts with our creations:
When humans write a book, to protect their book, they will copyright it.
When humans paint a painting, they will sign the bottom corner to seal it and protect their ownership.
When an inventor invents something, they will patent their invention to seal it, protect it.

You wanted evidence, this is very strong evidence.
Sincerely,
Dr. Lawrence


So please explain to me breeds of dogs. And please explain to me how dogs can mate with wolves, jackals and various other very distinct species.

While we may not be able to mate with the various ape species today (not sure anyone has tried for a while), there is certainly a wealth of evidence that we could reproduce successfully with other Hominidae species before they died out.

There are a large amount of examples of evolution that has been observed in living history. Evolution that has created completely new species which cannot mate with the founder species. The easiest example of course are Darwin's finches, but there are many, many others.

For a simplistic diagrammatic representation of how this occurs, see below.

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Is it so difficult to for you to imagine that one of these species which has evolved no longer really needs the use of their wings and when a slight mutation causes the wings to become more limb like this makes them better at surviving?

Or lets go from the other direction. While they are in the vast minority, there are plenty of humans that have webbed feet and hands. Before the advent of relatively modern medicine (and lets neglect the fact that they were put to death by various religious institutions for a moment) they would have issues gripping basic tools. Today of course, it is a relatively simple procedure to correct this for the most part. However, what if humans were more reliant on food from the sea? Would not this mutation make them a lot better at surviving?

Humans are even now evolving. Just a few centuries ago, the Vikings were seen as giants by the people that they were raiding, but by today's standards they were really rather short. In 1954 the four minute mile was first achieved. But by today's standards for top athletes, that is actually pretty slow. That is evolution. We are biologically placing more and more emphasis on being tall and fast.

The whole idea that humans were "made" by a supreme being doesn't even slightly take into account observable facts and today, the majority of people that believe in creationism only believe in creationism insofar as that god made the spark that created life and hence ultimately created us. It is a kind of semi-creationism sell out version to be honest.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue May 21, 2013 4:10 pm

crispybits wrote:Due to cutbacks it mostly involves making tea.

I don't have the budget for extra staff, you can have an unpaid intern position though. I'll throw in a banana at the end of each week from my own wage if your work is satisfactory.

I think this sounds reasonable. My usual dress attire as a yeoman is as follows:

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby crispybits on Tue May 21, 2013 4:13 pm

That would be acceptable, tho I would ask you to keep your skirts below knee length as we are a bit prudish in the 7th fleet - that kind of thing is what gives the 5th fleet a bad name imo :wink:
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Wed May 22, 2013 1:43 pm

waauw wrote:
universalchiro wrote:
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


The human female ovum (egg) has a shell around it to seal and protect the chromosomes from being fertilized by the wrong kind of creature. There is only one kind of creature on earth that has the proper enzyme to dissolve this shell for fertilization. It's the human male.

At the tip of the spermatozoa, is a capitulate enzyme that when it comes in contact with the ovum shell, this enzyme dissolves the shell for fertilization.

No other creature on earth has this enzyme to dissolve the human ovum for fertilization.

In fact each kind of animal, the male of that kind, is the only creature on earth that has the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of their female kind for fertilization. For example: all male dogs have the enzyme for all female dogs.
And all male equine have the enzyme to dissolve the female ovum shell of only their female same kind.

Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).

But since all mankind was created in the image of God, God sealed His creation, protected His creation. So that even when mankind practiced beastiality, God's creation of His own image, would remain pure, clean, sealed, protected.

Since we are created in the image of God, we perform the same acts with our creations:
When humans write a book, to protect their book, they will copyright it.
When humans paint a painting, they will sign the bottom corner to seal it and protect their ownership.
When an inventor invents something, they will patent their invention to seal it, protect it.

You wanted evidence, this is very strong evidence.
Sincerely,
Dr. Lawrence


Before I answer you, I want you to know I'm not an expert in biology. It is not my field of expertise. So if I overlook something or if I make some mistake, please let me know. I'm glad to learn more if I can.

Anyway you state that Darwin's theory doesn't add up because of the fact that animals can't crossbreed because of some enzyme. However if that very enzyme would mutate, as animals do in time, doesn't that mean the enzyme stops working? Or if I would rephrase this, doesn't that mean that evolution is the cause of animals not being able to crossbreed?

As far as I understand animal reproduction functions a bit similar to gravity. The further you are from the gravitational field the less influence that field will have on you. So the more animals have mutated away from each other, the higher the probability that they won't be able to mate. The reason for this being that the the probability of their enzymes or membranes having mutated might have mutated too.

The problem is in fact that to fully comprehend how animals functions, one ought to understand the entire DNA-sequence of the creature. However science hasn't gotten that far yet. We are still decades away from fully mapping our own DNA-sequence(and especially from having clear insights into them), let alone those of other animals. So why state that it is proof of there being a god if the basic building blocks of our body aren't even understood? In my honest opinion, the best we can do is say "I don't know".

Another point I'd like to bring to your attention is that if we do assume life on earth was created(just an assumption). What proves that we were created by a divine entity(I interpret it as all powerfull and all knowing). Why not believe we were created by aliens? Even if you got conclusive proof that animals were intelligently designed, you still have no proof of who did it.



All [when ever someone says "all", you must throw a red flag and study what they say to except or refute], All creatures that mutate too far away from their kind, are sterile. Hence, ending any further movement away from their kind.

But even if they weren't sterile, their pituitary gland releases hormones that cause that particular kind of creature to seek and pursue only their same kind. Also, pheromones released by all creatures are receptor specific to attract their same kind.

Putting this all in perspective:
1. Only the male sperm of the same specific kind has the enzyme to dissolve the egg shell of the same specific kind.
2. The pituitary gland of each kind of creature, produce desire for the same kind.
3. Pheromones released to attract a mate by the females, is receptor specific for their same kind.
4. When a creature mutates too far from their kind, they are sterile.
5. When a female sheep or goat is in heat, and a male dog is overwhelmed with desire to copulate outside their kind, the dog sperm still lacks the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of other kinds, except their own kind.

For 5,000 years that mankind has been keeping records, there is never and never will be a record of sheep giving birth to a half dog, or a female dog giving birth to a half goat. Why? All creatures have been sealed to reproduce after their own kind. Genesis 1:24 "Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind; cattle and creeping things and bests of the earth after their kind; and it was so. God made the beasts of earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind; and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind;.. vs 26 Then God said, ' Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ... God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

To think otherwise, is a religion. Why? Their is no evidence, their is only faith that dogs evolved from cats, or sheep evolved from wolf, or cats evolved from squirrels, or humans evolved from apes, or etc... purely faith based.
Put this another way:
1. We could soak a cat ovum in a pool of dog sperm and nothing will happen.
2. We could take a female dog in heat, with a herd of male sheep/goat/cats and no fertilization occurs.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 22, 2013 2:05 pm

universalchiro wrote:For 5,000 years that mankind has been keeping records, there is never and never will be a record of sheep giving birth to a half dog, or a female dog giving birth to a half goat. Why? All creatures have been sealed to reproduce after their own kind. Genesis 1:24 "Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind; cattle and creeping things and bests of the earth after their kind; and it was so. God made the beasts of earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind; and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind;.. vs 26 Then God said, ' Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ... God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.


Somehow, I am not sure the argument: "Dogs don't gave sex with sheep, thus God" holds up. Speaking of animals though, I did like this Sci Show video about a 'Grolar' bear---Grizzly Polar Bear.




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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Nordik on Wed May 22, 2013 2:06 pm

universalchiro wrote:All [when ever someone says "all", you must throw a red flag and study what they say to except or refute], All creatures that mutate too far away from their kind, are sterile. Hence, ending any further movement away from their kind.

But even if they weren't sterile, their pituitary gland releases hormones that cause that particular kind of creature to seek and pursue only their same kind. Also, pheromones released by all creatures are receptor specific to attract their same kind.

Putting this all in perspective:
1. Only the male sperm of the same specific kind has the enzyme to dissolve the egg shell of the same specific kind.
2. The pituitary gland of each kind of creature, produce desire for the same kind.
3. Pheromones released to attract a mate by the females, is receptor specific for their same kind.
4. When a creature mutates too far from their kind, they are sterile.
5. When a female sheep or goat is in heat, and a male dog is overwhelmed with desire to copulate outside their kind, the dog sperm still lacks the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of other kinds, except their own kind.

For 5,000 years that mankind has been keeping records, there is never and never will be a record of sheep giving birth to a half dog, or a female dog giving birth to a half goat. Why? All creatures have been sealed to reproduce after their own kind. Genesis 1:24 "Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind; cattle and creeping things and bests of the earth after their kind; and it was so. God made the beasts of earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind; and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind;.. vs 26 Then God said, ' Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ... God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

To think otherwise, is a religion. Why? Their is no evidence, their is only faith that dogs evolved from cats, or sheep evolved from wolf, or cats evolved from squirrels, or humans evolved from apes, or etc... purely faith based.
Put this another way:
1. We could soak a cat ovum in a pool of dog sperm and nothing will happen.
2. We could take a female dog in heat, with a herd of male sheep/goat/cats and no fertilization occurs.


You conveniently forgot the examples I gave. Let reiterate and add a couple:

Dogs with wolves and jackals,
Horses with donkeys,
Various large cat species being able to successfully reproduce with each other whilst being completely separate species,
A huge variety of closely related but completely separate species of fish, lizards, salamanders,
A huge variety of trees, grasses and plants.

Do you want me to go on? I can even give specifics if needs be.

You're right though that once they mutate too far the sperm and egg are not viable together, but when they are closely enough related, it is most certainly possible.
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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby universalchiro on Wed May 22, 2013 2:12 pm

CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.


People believe the age of the earth is billions of years old. Why? Well that's what scientist are telling us. Why do scientist tell us that the earth is billions of years old?

There are several assumptions that are built upon to come to this conclusion. We'll address one today.

They see how much space debris is added to earth each year. This is a known and accepted fact that 80,000lbs of space debris is added to the earth each year. Now what the scientist do with that information is where there is a breakdown in discernment.

For they see all the layers of the earth. And at the current rate of debris being added to the earth, in deed it would take billions of years for all the layers to form. But there is a major problem with this belief/theory.

Petrified trees

Petrified trees are said to take 500,000 years to form. But for petrified trees to occur, there needs to be lots of soil covering, moisture, pressure and heat covering the trees in a relatively short period of time. Why a short period of time and what is a short period of time. Time as in not longer than a year to cover the tree. Why? if the time to cover the tree is longer than a year, the tree will decay and dissolve to a stump.

So what, why is this significant to debunking a billion year old earth? There are 100's of vertically standing petrified trees on multiple continents that transcend through 20 layers of soil. If it took millions of years for each layer of soil to build up, there would be no vertically standing petrified trees. For they would have long since decayed by the time a layer built up above it's stump. Therefore, vertically standing petrified trees are remnant byproducts of soil settling fast (within a year) covering the tree.

What event in earth's history fits a scenario with soil settling quicker covering trees in about a year, versus the current evolutionary model of soil building up over millions of years to cover the trees? The Biblical global flood. Genesis 7. Not only did it rain for 40 days and 40 nights, but huge water caverns burst violently open.Genesis 7:11 all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.... Now if water is bursting out of the earth, that water will be filled with clay, rock, dirt, sedimentary soil, silt, etc. And that water with high turbity (lots of earth mixed with it), the dirt will settle in layers according to density.

This explains why there are layers on the earth and why petrified trees transcend multiple layers. This is strong evidence that what the Bible describes is spot on accurate and give evidence of God since He is the author of the Bible. It's God's own testimony of what He did and what He requires of us.

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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed May 22, 2013 2:23 pm

universalchiro wrote:People believe the age of the earth is billions of years old. Why? Well that's what scientist are telling us. Why do scientist tell us that the earth is billions of years old?

This suspicion sounds suspiciously similar to something else I encountered in a related topic:

Subject: An Unproven Hypothesis, The Rise of Ignorance.

show: Is the scientist who knows better really going to hurt his own wallet by disclosing the true facts


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Re: Post Any Evidence For God Here

Postby Nordik on Wed May 22, 2013 2:32 pm

universalchiro wrote:give evidence of God since He is the author of the Bible.


And now I know you're just trolling. Nice try though. :lol:
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