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Postby ksslemp on Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:52 am

Genghis Khant wrote:"If only there was a biotoxin that killed stupid people..."

If there was you'd be in big trouble. :wink:


Hardy Har Har Har! You're a clever sod! :roll:
You must be a Hezbollah supporter, poor kid. All the pain and suffering in lebanon and the palestinian terr. is caused by hamas and hezbollah. they'll get peace when they want peace!

God can fight his own battles, He doesn't need ignorant sheep to fight for Him. He is God Almighty!

Anyone who has actually read the quran, and not just recited words in it that they don't understand, has to come away from it knowing that mohammed was not a prophet of God, but a one eyed man in the land of the blind!

How do you become a mullah? oh yeah, you become a mullah if your Daddy was one! What a joke.
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Postby Stopper on Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:18 am

DIRESTRAITS wrote:Fourthly, the Arabs dont want the Golan heights and West Bank. They want the extermination of the Jewish race. Sound familiar?


DO you really mean to suggest that all Arabs want the extermination of the Jewish race? If that is really what you think, then I'll adopt a sweeping generalization of my own, and suggest that all Americans are brain-washed Fox News-slogans-spouting sheep.

I suspect that most of the millions of Palestinian refugees just want their homes back.
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Postby mandalorian2298 on Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:07 am

ksslemp wrote:Grow a Brain would ya!

where did the voted for Bush come from? you don't know who the hell i voted for! You must be one of those people who Sees what he Believes, and not the other way around.


You didn't vote for Bush? LMAO :lol: Liar :P
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Postby ksslemp on Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:37 am

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what,me worry? wrote: Isreal will sweep up the mess in palestine and all that will remain will be a few middle eastern fronts and stabilizing the phillipines.


Yeah, because we all saw how calpable Isreal is in their complete failure against Hezbollah.


Failure? I'll take that kind of failure any day.
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Postby joeyjordison on Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:19 pm

interestin the range of views. i don't like to pass judgement really. to me afghanistan looks like a mess, iraq looks like a mess, and my prediction is that somalia will b a mess again like it was last time. despite this u never know wat would happen if these places hadn't been invaded.... u can never tell wat would happen if an action hadn't occured and therefore i believe in just trying to stand up for wat u believe in the future not the past. u just use the past to demonstrate ur points for the future
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Postby areon on Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:37 pm

Genghis Khant wrote:I'd just like to clarify that it was Hezbollah that Israel was trying to subdue in Lebanon.

Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinian people.


Sorry, I get the two mixed up.

DIRESTRAITS wrote:Wow you are stupid Aereon. You actually think the millitary leaders of Japan would have accepted the Emporers Surrender? They would have resisted. Japanese culture is that you never surrender, and it took 2 nukes to reverse that. Secondly, How is Israel denying Arabs human rights. THe only people denying anyone rights is the Arabs. Thirdly, Israel had every right to take the Golan Heights and West Bank, and they shouldnt give them back. The Arabs used them too attack the Israelis, so the Israelis took them. Thats happened millions of times in the history of the world. I you dont like it, too bad. Fourthly, the Arabs dont want the Golan heights and West Bank. They want the extermination of the Jewish race. Sound familiar?


Wow thanks for that lesson in stupidity. The Japanese were willing to accept the first time the Emperor spoke to them as genuine, why was that? Because he actually went out into the public and talked with his people. The whole military DID surrender after this, it wasn't the bombs that stopped them. Once they had heard the Emperor's command to disarm they did. The Japanese creed wasn't to commit suicide, that's America's inability to distinguish between fanaticism and loyalty. The Japanese didn't have the leeway that other religious groups have when determining what their deity wants done.

Israel has never been able to stop the attacks on their country without going through peace talks. No matter how many times they raid into Palestine or attack Lebanon the attacks continue. Yes mortar fire has been used on the Golan Heights, but seizing them hasn't changed anything. Everytime the terrorists come up with something new to hit Israel with. The only way to stop this is to come to an agreement with their neighbors, which Israel doesn't care for. And the human rights record of Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the other neighbors are all horrible. If you don't know anything about the growth of Israeli settlements and fragmentation of Palestine I would suggest picking up Carter's new book. The first time I read about this was a year ago in a book called the Geography of War and it mentioned that this has been going on unreported for the past decade.

And for the last time, counter-terrorism is not war. There is no clear enemy, no clear goal, no clear way to fight it. Of course civilians die in modern wars due to their nature, but what we are doing is as Mandalorian said. Direct attacks on civilian populations to target a few terrorists doesn't work.

Joey it wasn't that hard to predict what would happen in Afghanistan or Iraq if light forces were sent in and the countries not secured after their governments were toppled. The warlords were in Afghanistan before we invaded and kept in check by the Taliban, so of course they will emerge as the new power if the Taliban was removed with nothing to replace them. It might not have been clear in Iraq that an insurgency would grow to what it has but it was obvious that the Shiite would want to punish the Sunni for their past rule and a possible separation of the Kurds. It isn't possible to know what will happen but the new strategy of the administration is to act as if that absolves them of responsibility. Or that we are unable to comprehend the long term plan, which appears to be an escalation of wars in the area.
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Postby Genghis Khant on Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:17 pm

ksslemp wrote:
Genghis Khant wrote:"If only there was a biotoxin that killed stupid people..."

If there was you'd be in big trouble. :wink:


Hardy Har Har Har! You're a clever sod! :roll:
You must be a Hezbollah supporter, poor kid. All the pain and suffering in lebanon and the palestinian terr. is caused by hamas and hezbollah. they'll get peace when they want peace!

God can fight his own battles, He doesn't need ignorant sheep to fight for Him. He is God Almighty!

Anyone who has actually read the quran, and not just recited words in it that they don't understand, has to come away from it knowing that mohammed was not a prophet of God, but a one eyed man in the land of the blind!

How do you become a mullah? oh yeah, you become a mullah if your Daddy was one! What a joke.


I rest my case.
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Postby Genghis Khant on Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:21 pm

How do you become a bishop? By being a paedophile who's good at covering up for your colleagues.
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Postby tonywalrus on Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:10 pm

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mandalorian2298 wrote:1. I don't hate US. I don't hate at all. It's bad for karma.

2.
I eaqualy despise people who consider that killing little children is "ok in certain conditions" no matter their country of origin.


If that is "everyone around me" then world has become one fucked-up place real fast. So, please explain, when is it ok to kill kids? 'Cause I honestly can't think of a way in wich bombing a residential building and killing children is something good. If you know how it's good, tell me.


1. ok you dispise....so sorry... :roll:

2. can you tell me one thriving country who hasn't been in a war and killed a civilian child?? I can't....WWII, Britain, US, even Canada went into France and accidently killed kids......hey, it's not good, but it happend, and let me tell you that if we didnt kill those kids, we wouldnt have been there, and wouldnt have won that war, and the world would be run by a facist dictator......so, of course, that's a reason to kill kids...so, that other kids can have a free life, and not die......it ain't good, but it's a hard world out there


Do you have kids? I have a six year old son and nothing, I repeat nothing could bring me to express the coldblooded sentiments you are expressing. I hope that you are saying what you are saying because you lack real experience of children of your own, the alternative does not bear thinking about. If you can't create a life please do not be so callous about destroying one.
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Postby P Gizzle on Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:16 pm

tonywalrus wrote:
P Gizzle wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:1. I don't hate US. I don't hate at all. It's bad for karma.

2.
I eaqualy despise people who consider that killing little children is "ok in certain conditions" no matter their country of origin.


If that is "everyone around me" then world has become one fucked-up place real fast. So, please explain, when is it ok to kill kids? 'Cause I honestly can't think of a way in wich bombing a residential building and killing children is something good. If you know how it's good, tell me.


1. ok you dispise....so sorry... :roll:

2. can you tell me one thriving country who hasn't been in a war and killed a civilian child?? I can't....WWII, Britain, US, even Canada went into France and accidently killed kids......hey, it's not good, but it happend, and let me tell you that if we didnt kill those kids, we wouldnt have been there, and wouldnt have won that war, and the world would be run by a facist dictator......so, of course, that's a reason to kill kids...so, that other kids can have a free life, and not die......it ain't good, but it's a hard world out there


Do you have kids? I have a six year old son and nothing, I repeat nothing could bring me to express the coldblooded sentiments you are expressing. I hope that you are saying what you are saying because you lack real experience of children of your own, the alternative does not bear thinking about. If you can't create a life please do not be so callous about destroying one.


no, i don't have any kids, and i regret that statement....i was really mad and tired when i wrote that....that is not what i meant at all....very sorry :(
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Postby qeee1 on Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:28 pm

ksslemp wrote:
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what,me worry? wrote: Isreal will sweep up the mess in palestine and all that will remain will be a few middle eastern fronts and stabilizing the phillipines.


Yeah, because we all saw how calpable Isreal is in their complete failure against Hezbollah.


Failure? I'll take that kind of failure any day.


from whatever angle you look at it, from lives lost, to money wasted, to changes created, Isreal lost, but still it was declared a success.



ksslemp wrote: All the pain and suffering in lebanon and the palestinian terr. is caused by hamas and hezbollah.


This is possibly the most infuriating, idiotic thing I've ever read on these forums. Seriously, read up child. Even most pro-Isreali people would be embarassed to admit to such a sweeping generalisation, even if it was remotely true.

UGH! disgusting.
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Postby ksslemp on Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:45 pm

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ksslemp wrote:
qeee1 wrote:
what,me worry? wrote: Isreal will sweep up the mess in palestine and all that will remain will be a few middle eastern fronts and stabilizing the phillipines.


Yeah, because we all saw how calpable Isreal is in their complete failure against Hezbollah.


Failure? I'll take that kind of failure any day.


from whatever angle you look at it, from lives lost, to money wasted, to changes created, Isreal lost, but still it was declared a success.



ksslemp wrote: All the pain and suffering in lebanon and the palestinian terr. is caused by hamas and hezbollah.


This is possibly the most infuriating, idiotic thing I've ever read on these forums. Seriously, read up child. Even most pro-Isreali people would be embarassed to admit to such a sweeping generalisation, even if it was remotely true.


UGH! disgusting.


Of course Israel isnt perfect, but everytime there is a chance for change and progress, the militants screw it up!

Some people never will get it. and you're one of those some people.
This is the last comment i'll make on your hopeless contrarian to a fault drivel.
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Postby ksslemp on Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:48 pm

Genghis Khant wrote:How do you become a bishop? By being a paedophile who's good at covering up for your colleagues.


It was a comment on Islam, NOT a comparison!

Youve earned the rank of Moron.
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Postby qeee1 on Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:18 pm

Some people never will get it. and you're one of those some people.


Never get what, ignorant biased viewpoints? I guess I should take that as a compliment.

Isreal doesn't allow any sort of progress in its current state.
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Postby edmundomcpot on Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:21 pm

i think it was declared a victory because israel would of eventually won the way things were going..hezbollahs army was nothing compared to the israeli army and the rocket attacks would of had to stop
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Postby Levon on Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:18 pm

qeee1 wrote:
Some people never will get it. and you're one of those some people.


Never get what, ignorant biased viewpoints? I guess I should take that as a compliment.

Isreal doesn't allow any sort of progress in its current state.


Actually i think isreal had better equal rights then most countrys when it was created and they dont persecute arabs in the way the that arabs persecute jews.

why does israel have to be a jewish state anyway? why can it be a country where both arabs and jews live? same goes for arabs. why does a muslim country have to be sunni or shia? cant it just be a coutnry where the majority are shia ir sunni?
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Postby areon on Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:21 am

edmundomcpot wrote:i think it was declared a victory because israel would of eventually won the way things were going..hezbollahs army was nothing compared to the israeli army and the rocket attacks would of had to stop


That's not true, the Israeli army never was able to stop the rocket fire. They had to increase their combat forces and still could not stop the fire or make Hezbollah submit. The end of the conflict also had the highest frequency and intensity of attacks going INTO Israel, so they were not in control. The why is very simple, they weren't fighting an army. It was a failed plan and a good thing that the conflict didn't escalate.

Levon wrote:Actually i think isreal had better equal rights then most countrys when it was created and they dont persecute arabs in the way the that arabs persecute jews.

why does israel have to be a jewish state anyway? why can it be a country where both arabs and jews live? same goes for arabs. why does a muslim country have to be sunni or shia? cant it just be a coutnry where the majority are shia ir sunni?


Yes Israel opened all of Jerusalem to the 3 faiths when it was formed. But that was a long time ago, now there are restrictions for where Palestinians can move around. Israel was made a Jewish state, if you look at the formation Palestine was broken up into 2 areas. The Arabs didn't accept this because it was a UN mandate which left them out of the loop. The war fought displaced the Palestinians and, since the Arabs lost it, has become an Israeli issue of supporting them. That's why they don't want to coexist with each other. I don't know much about the historical roots of the Sunni/Shiite split but separating the populations of countries won't solve the problem. Look at India's break up, massive populations of Islamics left India for Pakistan and vice versa for Hindus. This didn't stop their animosity and both nations are still debating on what land each should control.

There is no easy fix to these problems. Please don't fall into thinking that Arabs are all anti-semitic and that Israel is the land for all Jewish people. Many of their grievances have nothing to do with religion but instead deal with more immediate concerns.
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Postby qeee1 on Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:58 pm

edmundomcpot wrote:i think it was declared a victory because israel would of eventually won the way things were going..hezbollahs army was nothing compared to the israeli army and the rocket attacks would of had to stop


What gives you that idea? Isreal had far superior army at the start too. They expected to get the job done in a few days, then a few more, then a few more only they couldn't get it done.

There is no easy fix to these problems. Please don't fall into thinking that Arabs are all anti-semitic and that Israel is the land for all Jewish people. Many of their grievances have nothing to do with religion but instead deal with more immediate concerns.


Yes and Yes, in fact a growing number of Jewish people are starting to oppose the existance of Isreal.
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Postby edmundomcpot on Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:17 pm

qeee1 wrote:
edmundomcpot wrote:i think it was declared a victory because israel would of eventually won the way things were going..hezbollahs army was nothing compared to the israeli army and the rocket attacks would of had to stop


What gives you that idea? Isreal had far superior army at the start too. They expected to get the job done in a few days, then a few more, then a few more only they couldn't get it done.



from what i was hearing on british news the israeli army was advancing further and further into lebanon...but i may be wrong..
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