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Postby edmundomcpot on Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:42 pm

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Question from me( inspired by turkish thread in general disscussion)

Should Turkey be allowed to join the E.U?... If so can russia aswell
Would you choose supremecy if it lead to isolation?

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Postby vtmarik on Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:53 pm

Well it all comes down to geography: Is Turkey part of Europe?
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Postby Stopper on Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:59 pm

I'd be generally in favour of Turkey joining the EU sometime in the next decade. The whole point of the EU (as I see it) is to promote human rights, secular democracy, and economic progress - this has worked well for most countries, including Spain, Portugal and Greece, and the rest, so it shouldn't do Turkey any harm. It's true that they probably still have some way to go on the issue of human rights (laws against publicising the Armenian genocide, the Kurds, use of the army to "defend" the constitution) but I don't think that's anything unsurmountable.

Some of the arguments against which I particularly dislike include the one about the Turkish being "too culturally different" from the rest of Europe - I assume the main thing people mean by this is Islam. This is a load of chauvinistic bollocks - as long as the government is broadly secular, then what religion (or none) is practiced by a nation's populace is neither here nor there.
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Postby edmundomcpot on Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:01 pm

vtmarik wrote:Well it all comes down to geography: Is Turkey part of Europe?


thats the point....a small bit of it is
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Postby Hoff on Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:10 pm

why does it matter if turkey or any other nation is pysically part of europe to be in the EU. Its just a name and symantics, they could prove to be just as vital to the EU than any other EU nation, the fact that a nation isnt in europe shouldnt stop them from joining the EU if they want to and if they are up to the EU standards.
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Postby edmundomcpot on Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:25 pm

then there would be no point in calling it the european union ..the point im getting at is where to the borders end and is enough of turkey in europe within them to justify it being in the E.U.
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Postby Wisse on Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:27 pm

vtmarik wrote:Well it all comes down to geography: Is Turkey part of Europe?


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Postby MeDeFe on Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:49 pm

enough of it. But I think they should have stopped expansion half a dozen countries ago and consolidated instead.
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Postby Genghis Khant on Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:15 pm

If Turkey can get in line with the EU as regards human rights, animal rights, agricultural/food/health&safety standards, building regulations etc., then they should be allowed in. EU membership is a good incentive and trying to force these changes through sanctions would be counter effective vis-a-vis general bad feeling towards the west. I'd rather use a carrot than a stick any day.
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Postby cowshrptrn on Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:17 pm

I tinhk we dropped the ball on Turkey. We shoudl have gotten it into the EU a whiel back, now its gotten a lot more religious, and we hardly have any Muslim nations that are pro-westernization and secularization.
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Postby Genghis Khant on Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:33 pm

cowshrptrn wrote:I think we dropped the ball on Turkey. We should have gotten it into the EU a while back...

Couldn't do that. As it is it'll probably take Turkey 10-15 years to come up to our standards.
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Postby Bogusbet on Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:36 pm

*Turks are dirty by nature. Once they learn to shower and shave, I'm in for letting them take on the jobs that are to good for white guys, like rubbish collection and killing arabs.



































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Postby edmundomcpot on Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:45 pm

why is this thread wank?? if you dont like it you dont have to post in it...just because were discussing politics that doesent invole america..and its something america cant police
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Postby Bogusbet on Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:47 pm

edmundomcpot wrote:why is this thread wank?? if you dont like it you dont have to post in it...just because were discussing politics that doesent invole america..and its something america cant police


I never said I did'nt like it, I like you though xxx

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Postby Stopper on Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:51 pm

MeDeFe wrote:enough of it. But I think they should have stopped expansion half a dozen countries ago and consolidated instead.


What, and make the EU a rich man's club? If that's all there is to it, I can't see the point of it.
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