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Postby edmundomcpot on Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:58 pm

a rich mans club is what its becoming anyway... the people voting yes for assecinsion in eastern european countries are the ones who can just afford to get out of the countries to find higher paid jobs in western countries...not that im complaining thats what i think the eu should be allowing anyone to work anywhere...however the eu should help indivisual countries get the money and stability to offer higher paid jobs attracting its own citizens back
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Postby Stopper on Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:27 pm

But most of the people in the eastern countries only come to work in the UK temporarily - that is, seasonally. They raise the UK's GDP by doing work that we won't do (or not for such low wages) and then take the money back to their own countries. In theory, everybody gains, especially the eastern countries. The poorer economies should grow faster than the rich ones, which is only fair.

If we stopped expansion for no good reason, then we'd have a permanent fortress Europe, with uncontrolled immigration from poorer countries, which, more often than not, we actually keep poor, through CAP.
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:59 pm

E.U. or Revived Roman Empire..... same difference. :wink:
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Postby vtmarik on Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:19 am

I like the EU. I'm still waiting for Japan to buy out California and form a conglomerate for the Pacific Rim.

Maybe then we can usher in the future according to Shadowrun.
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Postby MeDeFe on Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:15 am

Not to make it a rich mans club, but to deal with things like the constitution, whether every country should really have the right to veto everything or whether a 2/3rds majority is enough. Those sort of things.
Don't get me wrong, the EU is a great thing that has spread more wealth and democracy to the world than any war the USA has ever fought. But I think there were more pressing matters a few years back than getting in another half a dozen countries in a rush.
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Postby edmundomcpot on Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:18 am

The E.U. don't hand out invititations the countries apply to join it. Wasn't there a european constitiution rejected by France.. or have i got the wrong end of the stick
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Postby vtmarik on Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:58 am

I think that this world needs the EU, if the EU were to pool their common resources (money, weapons, armies, etc.) we could finally have a second superpower (or reasonable facsimile thereof) to balance the equation.
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Postby jay_a2j on Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:36 am

vtmarik wrote:I think that this world needs the EU, if the EU were to pool their common resources (money, weapons, armies, etc.) we could finally have a second superpower (or reasonable facsimile thereof) to balance the equation.



Except the fact that the EU will control the world and will be lead by a guy who will make Hitler look like a choir boy.
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Postby MeDeFe on Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:38 am

You mean someone who actually has some balls and isn't completely indoctrinated?
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Postby jay_a2j on Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:43 am

MeDeFe wrote:You mean someone who actually has some balls and isn't completely indoctrinated?



He will require all people to worship him. (If that's what you consider not being "indoctrinated") :wink:
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Postby edmundomcpot on Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:46 am

who is this leader of the e.u then...every few years a leader from a different member state becomes the e.u. leader
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Postby vtmarik on Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:46 am

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:I think that this world needs the EU, if the EU were to pool their common resources (money, weapons, armies, etc.) we could finally have a second superpower (or reasonable facsimile thereof) to balance the equation.



Except the fact that the EU will control the world and will be lead by a guy who will make Hitler look like a choir boy.


Every time I think that you aren't completely crazy, you confirm that I should have little faith in your ability to see things that are outside of the purview of your religion.
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Postby Stopper on Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:14 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:I think that this world needs the EU, if the EU were to pool their common resources (money, weapons, armies, etc.) we could finally have a second superpower (or reasonable facsimile thereof) to balance the equation.



Except the fact that the EU will control the world and will be lead by a guy who will make Hitler look like a choir boy.


I should have thought that'd be unlikely, considering the US military spending is something like four times Germany, the UK, France and Italy combined...
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Postby Hoff on Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:21 pm

edmundomcpot wrote:then there would be no point in calling it the european union ..the point im getting at is where to the borders end and is enough of turkey in europe within them to justify it being in the E.U.


Thats my point, there is no point in calling it the european union. And anyway its just a name, it shouldnt matter.
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Postby jay_a2j on Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:36 pm

edmundomcpot wrote:who is this leader of the e.u then...every few years a leader from a different member state becomes the e.u. leader



He is not currently in power. But he will be and when it happens he will decieve many. Revelation talks about him.... the anti-christ. The US will either decline as a world power or as some believe, will cease to exist (see Revelation 18 ).
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Postby MeDeFe on Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:37 pm

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Postby vtmarik on Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:05 pm

One could also argue that the "Revived Roman Empire" referred to Nixon's presidency, known as the Imperial Presidency.

But, he's not in power, so he couldn't have been the anti-christ.

What about Ronald Wilson Reagan? His number shall be 666. But he's dead, so he couldn't possible have been the anti-christ (though he is still venerated as a great man for some strange reason).
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Postby edmundomcpot on Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:38 pm

Hoff wrote:
edmundomcpot wrote:then there would be no point in calling it the european union ..the point im getting at is where to the borders end and is enough of turkey in europe within them to justify it being in the E.U.


Thats my point, there is no point in calling it the european union. And anyway its just a name, it shouldnt matter.


oh i get it now.... its like the U.S should drop the A because of Afghanistan and iraq

it was designed to unify the nations of europe to stop us kicking of another world war..europe is a continant that with borders of the ural mountains in russia, icelands border to the north, the iberian penninsula, and the medditerainain...countries within that are nations of europe...the european union is for those countries..my problem is that russia and turkey are in europe and asia
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Postby MeDeFe on Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:58 pm

Reagan WAS the antichrist. It's just that both of the supernatural sides figured that it would be extremely bad for them if we started to shoot nukes at them out of sheer frustration, so the apocalypse was cancelled and now they're busy pretending that they never tried to get it started while trying to figure out a way of making sure that we'll all be nice and sit back and be obliterated when they kick off the show for the second time.
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Postby edmundomcpot on Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:37 pm

the anti christ is dead so where does he go to in the after life
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Postby MeDeFe on Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:16 pm

Interesting question... probably to visit his dad.
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