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Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:11 pm

I'm kind of bothered by this question. I guess it started for me when David Frum got the kick, but since then I've seen other major conservative thinkers (who, I should say, I disagree with) get the boot for really poor reasons.

A question for conservatives- who really still stands out as an intellectual, or as a genuine expert?

I'm not looking for someone I can agree with, but I'm not looking for Beck either. Any recommendations?

[Edit] My OP was pretty vague. I'm looking for credible conservative commentators and experts outside of the forum.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:14 pm

never mind... lol
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby bradleybadly on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:15 pm

My dad liked to read William F. Buckley, Jr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley,_Jr.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:17 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:The closest I could come to would be greekdog, but he is only conservative on some issues.


I have a serious amount of respect for Thegreekdog, but I really meant in the wider world, outside of the forums.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:18 pm

bradleybadly wrote:My dad liked to read William F. Buckley, Jr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley,_Jr.


I'm pretty sure he's dead, but I guess I was pretty vague in my OP, so it's on me. Anyone current who is worth looking into?
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:21 pm

Warren Buffet? (is he a conservative really??)
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:27 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:Warren Buffet? (is he a conservative really??)


I've not read anything by him, but I'm pretty sure he was a Democrat in the last election, at least in terms of financial support.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:45 pm

Hands Down, Ron Paul. And if you really want to see the roots, you can try looking into the philosophy of objectivism. If you are looking into these for a weakness, don't bother, there aren't any except for one....
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:52 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Hands Down, Ron Paul. And if you really want to see the roots, you can try looking into the philosophy of objectivism. If you are looking into these for a weakness, don't bother, there aren't any except for one....


Ok- I've had a quick look around and not seen much that he's written. Although there's a lot written about him. I've heard him come up a lot, but always as a very marginal candidate.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby spurgistan on Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:54 pm

Ross Douthat can be a nice read.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:00 pm

spurgistan wrote:Ross Douthat can be a nice read.


Cheers- I've come across his stuff a bit before, but not really followed him. I'll take a look.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Woodruff on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:11 pm

Symmetry wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:The closest I could come to would be greekdog, but he is only conservative on some issues.


I have a serious amount of respect for Thegreekdog, but I really meant in the wider world, outside of the forums.


Oh...I made the same mistake that PLAYER did, because of your phrase "For conservatives on this forum".

Outside of this forum, I've always liked George Will a fair amount. Maybe I'm just biased because I'm a monster baseball fan too, though.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:13 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:The closest I could come to would be greekdog, but he is only conservative on some issues.


I have a serious amount of respect for Thegreekdog, but I really meant in the wider world, outside of the forums.


Oh...I made the same mistake that PLAYER did, because of your phrase "For conservatives on this forum".

Outside of this forum, I've always liked George Will a fair amount. Maybe I'm just biased because I'm a monster baseball fan too, though.


Ah yeah- that was pretty crap phrasing by me looking back at it. I'll edit.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:27 pm

I cannot think of any, but then, I cannot think of any real liberals, either.. except maybe Ralph Nadar.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Nobunaga on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:30 pm

... Let me second George Will. He is Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck's polar opposite in terms of style.

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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby GabonX on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:31 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:I cannot think of any, but then, I cannot think of any real liberals, either.. except maybe Ralph Nadar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibsP6XN2dIo
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby spurgistan on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:35 pm

He's a good writer and all, but I've found George Will to be one of the more brazenly elitist people I've read. And that includes Arianna Huffington. His last piece bordered on class warfare.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby GabonX on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:37 pm

Symmetry wrote:I'm kind of bothered by this question. I guess it started for me when David Frum got the kick, but since then I've seen other major conservative thinkers (who, I should say, I disagree with) get the boot for really poor reasons.

A question for conservatives- who really still stands out as an intellectual, or as a genuine expert?

I'm not looking for someone I can agree with, but I'm not looking for Beck either. Any recommendations?

[Edit] My OP was pretty vague. I'm looking for credible conservative commentators and experts outside of the forum.

The problem with your question is that you would likely discount any conservative as being an intellectual because of their views.

The same thing which makes them conservative would likely discount them from being an intellectual..
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Timminz on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:39 pm

Like Glen Beck.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:45 pm

GabonX wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I'm kind of bothered by this question. I guess it started for me when David Frum got the kick, but since then I've seen other major conservative thinkers (who, I should say, I disagree with) get the boot for really poor reasons.

A question for conservatives- who really still stands out as an intellectual, or as a genuine expert?

I'm not looking for someone I can agree with, but I'm not looking for Beck either. Any recommendations?

[Edit] My OP was pretty vague. I'm looking for credible conservative commentators and experts outside of the forum.

The problem with your question is that you would likely discount any conservative as being an intellectual because of their views.

The same thing which makes them conservative would likely discount them from being an intellectual..


That's a pretty big conclusion to make, and I can only say that I don't think my views are as fixed as you think they are. I don't consider people I disagree with to be stupid. Their arguments, sometimes, yes. But I think you take a step too far if you really think I equate conservatism with stupidity and vice-versa.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby GabonX on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:45 pm

I thought Glenn Beck was a comedian now :lol:
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:47 pm

GabonX wrote:I thought Glenn Beck was a comedian now :lol:


Is he still on a news channel? Or did he switch to a comedy channel?
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby GabonX on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:57 pm

Symmetry wrote:
GabonX wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I'm kind of bothered by this question. I guess it started for me when David Frum got the kick, but since then I've seen other major conservative thinkers (who, I should say, I disagree with) get the boot for really poor reasons.

A question for conservatives- who really still stands out as an intellectual, or as a genuine expert?

I'm not looking for someone I can agree with, but I'm not looking for Beck either. Any recommendations?

[Edit] My OP was pretty vague. I'm looking for credible conservative commentators and experts outside of the forum.

The problem with your question is that you would likely discount any conservative as being an intellectual because of their views.

The same thing which makes them conservative would likely discount them from being an intellectual..


That's a pretty big conclusion to make, and I can only say that I don't think my views are as fixed as you think they are. I don't consider people I disagree with to be stupid. Their arguments, sometimes, yes. But I think you take a step too far if you really think I equate conservatism with stupidity and vice-versa.

With the number of conservative thinkers out there, and the fact that you've stated you can't find any "intellectuals" among them, it's really the only conclusion to draw.

Symmetry wrote:
GabonX wrote:I thought Glenn Beck was a comedian now :lol:


Is he still on a news channel? Or did he switch to a comedy channel?

He has been on tour as a comedian, but I digress..

It's amazing to me that people think the network a show is on is somehow more important than content of the show.
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:58 pm

What is Oprah?
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Re: Who are the conservative intellectuals?

Postby Phatscotty on Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:01 pm

GabonX wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
GabonX wrote:
Symmetry wrote:I'm kind of bothered by this question. I guess it started for me when David Frum got the kick, but since then I've seen other major conservative thinkers (who, I should say, I disagree with) get the boot for really poor reasons.

A question for conservatives- who really still stands out as an intellectual, or as a genuine expert?

I'm not looking for someone I can agree with, but I'm not looking for Beck either. Any recommendations?

[Edit] My OP was pretty vague. I'm looking for credible conservative commentators and experts outside of the forum.

The problem with your question is that you would likely discount any conservative as being an intellectual because of their views.

The same thing which makes them conservative would likely discount them from being an intellectual..


That's a pretty big conclusion to make, and I can only say that I don't think my views are as fixed as you think they are. I don't consider people I disagree with to be stupid. Their arguments, sometimes, yes. But I think you take a step too far if you really think I equate conservatism with stupidity and vice-versa.

With the number of conservative thinkers out there, and the fact that you've stated you can't find any "intellectuals" among them, it's really the only conclusion to draw.

Symmetry wrote:
GabonX wrote:I thought Glenn Beck was a comedian now :lol:


Is he still on a news channel? Or did he switch to a comedy channel?

He has been on tour as a comedian, but I digress..

It's amazing to me that people think the network a show is on is somehow more important than content of the show.


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