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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby john9blue on Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:50 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:ITT, natty_dread defends capitalism and freedom of choice against AoG's rage against people's decisions to sell advertisement space on a sports uniform.

natty_dread's simply commenting on AoG's "religious attitude" regarding the "sanctity of sports teams" (and especially their holy garments, a.k.a. uniforms). From my interpretation, natty_dread is implying that such a stance is irrational, and I'm inclined to agree with him.


If it's not a "religious" reaction against capitalism, then what is it? In other words, why is it wrong for owners of soccer teams to sell advertising space on the team's uniforms?


- natty defending capitalism. you should be able to see what's unusual about that.
- if sports is a "religion" in america, then atheism is a "religion" everywhere.
- it IS rather strange to see the name of a company on a uniform, which is usually used to identify the player for the viewers.
- aog is dumb too but we all already knew that.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:28 am

The john9blue-natty_dread feud has been grinding my gears lately. These mildly intense border conflicts would do better in a proper arena.


I challenge them to my thread, where they will duel with one another by only using pictures.

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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby natty dread on Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:42 am

john9blue wrote:- natty defending capitalism. you should be able to see what's unusual about that.


Argue with the point, not with the person, John.

But then again, I've noticed that's a thing you do. You can't separate arguments from the persons making them. You have some weird issues against me, so you'll disagree with me even if I argue that fish live in water.

john9blue wrote:- if sports is a "religion" in america, then atheism is a "religion" everywhere.


Does not follow. Logical leap. Also irrelevant to the subject at hand.

john9blue wrote:- it IS rather strange to see the name of a company on a uniform, which is usually used to identify the player for the viewers.


Appeal to ridicule. You only see it as strange because it's something you're not culturally familiar with.

john9blue wrote:- aog is dumb too but we all already knew that.


Lay off AoG. He can't help being special.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:21 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:It's their teams, they reserve the right, and they need the money to maintain the profitability of the soccer team (which ain't cheap, dawg).


I agree. That's why I'm not passing legislation disallowing them to do it.

The reason why I dislike it is because it's not aesthetically nor intellectually pleasing. The logos do a poor job at blending in with the uniforms and I very much dislike how a third party corporation insists on advertising in such a way.

I don't see why you think my disdain for such a thing is irrational. It's not like I say it's irrational for you to not like a certain painting or a musical artist.

What is irrational, however, is comparing religion to sports in the United States. Essentially, if you're saying that that comparison is ok, then if I was to object Microsoft from putting its logo on Stonehenge, apparently I am now a follower of the religion "ancient monuments". My, or most Americans, love of sports has no resemblances of popular religions. You can interpret whatever you want from American sports to symbolize a concept from religion, but honestly I would rather you just not jerk off.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:27 am

natty_dread wrote:
john9blue wrote:- natty defending capitalism. you should be able to see what's unusual about that.


Argue with the point, not with the person, John.

But then again, I've noticed that's a thing you do. You can't separate arguments from the persons making them. You have some weird issues against me, so you'll disagree with me even if I argue that fish live in water.

john9blue wrote:- if sports is a "religion" in america, then atheism is a "religion" everywhere.


Does not follow. Logical leap. Also irrelevant to the subject at hand.

john9blue wrote:- it IS rather strange to see the name of a company on a uniform, which is usually used to identify the player for the viewers.


Appeal to ridicule. You only see it as strange because it's something you're not culturally familiar with.

john9blue wrote:- aog is dumb too but we all already knew that.


Lay off AoG. He can't help being special.



Is there a logical fallacy that has to do with someone dismissing an argument because they believe there's a logical fallacy within the argument?

If not, we should definitely make one up. "argumentum ad fallacium"

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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:29 am

natty_dread wrote:Appeal to ridicule. You only see it as strange because it's something you're not culturally familiar with.


Also, from what I'm reading on Wikipedia, you completely misused this.

Now, I know you're going to come back in an effort to defend your pride, but I really would just like you to admit that you were wrong.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:36 am

AoG wrote:My, or most Americans, love of sports has no resemblances of popular religions. You can interpret whatever you want from American sports to symbolize a concept from religion, but honestly I would rather you just not jerk off.


I dunno... I've seen fights break out between U of O and Oregon State fans during Civil War week.

Games are on Sundays...

People wear the jerseys...

....trololol....

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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:41 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
AoG wrote:My, or most Americans, love of sports has no resemblances of popular religions. You can interpret whatever you want from American sports to symbolize a concept from religion, but honestly I would rather you just not jerk off.


I dunno... I've seen fights break out between U of O and Oregon State fans during Civil War week.

Games are on Sundays...

People wear the jerseys...

....trololol....

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>only NFL games

Natty specifically singled out hockey earlier in the thread. I'm not sure why, because of the four main sports, hockey is dead last.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:41 am

Also, janitors wear uniforms.


JANITORS ARE A RELIGION
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby natty dread on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:45 am

Army of GOD wrote:Also, from what I'm reading on Wikipedia, you completely misused this.


From what I read on Wikipedia, you're asserting a point without providing any reasoning to back it up.

Army of GOD wrote:Now, I know you're going to come back in an effort to defend your pride,


My pride doesn't require defending, but thanks for asking. If you're having problems with your "pride", I suggest you consult your urologist.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:45 am

Ouch, should've saw a dodge and jab coming.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:49 am

ANYWAY

The Almighty, Wikipedia, wrote:Appeal to ridicule, also called appeal to mockery, the Horse Laugh,[1] or reductio ad ridiculum (Latin: "reduction to the ridiculous"), is a logical fallacy which presents the opponent's argument in a way that appears ridiculous, often to the extent of creating a straw man of the actual argument, rather than addressing the argument itself.


john in no way made your argument look ridiculous. Maybe he committed another fallacy, but not Appeal to Ridicule.

inb4 you defend yourself and still don't admit you were wrong
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby natty dread on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:51 am

Army of GOD wrote:dodge and jab coming


I'm not really familiar with your slang, but it seems like there's been a misunderstanding... I don't swing that way, sorry.
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:55 am

natty_dread wrote:I'm sorry Army of GOD. I was wrong.

You're cute, by the way.


Thanks natty.


Thanks. =)
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Re: You know what really grinds my gears...

Postby natty dread on Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:03 am

Army of GOD wrote:Sausages. Tons and tons of sausages. They haunt my dreams every night, dripping with grease, looming menacingly. They threaten to drown me in ketchup. I wake up drenched in sweat in the middle of the night and make myself comfort bacon to ease my shattered nerves.


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