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Postby flashleg8 on Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:54 am

Spuzzell wrote:
And to whoever it was complaining about "state funding for religion" in England.. what state funding? :shock: Can my church please have some?



Christmas is a Christian festival, the state (i.e. the local council out of tax payers money) pays for Christmas decorations and their electrical bill, maintainence and erection(perhaps in parnership with local businesses in some cases as you point out). In my book this is state funding. You don't see the council putting on a feast for Eid or similar for other religions. This is bias.

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Do you resent council firework displays on the 5th of November?


Yes, Its an anti-catholic celebration.
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Postby flashleg8 on Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:56 am

2dimes wrote:where until we fix these attrocities you might be exposed to small children singing "Silent Night". :shudders:


Hopefully they wouldn't be shouting
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:59 am

flashleg8 wrote:
Hopefully they wouldn't be shouting
Move to North America and help put a stop to it. Until then enjoy life in a better place.
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Postby heavycola on Thu Feb 01, 2007 11:59 am

flashleg8 wrote:
Spuzzell wrote:
And to whoever it was complaining about "state funding for religion" in England.. what state funding? :shock: Can my church please have some?



Christmas is a Christian festival, the state (i.e. the local council out of tax payers money) pays for Christmas decorations and their electrical bill, maintainence and erection(perhaps in parnership with local businesses in some cases as you point out). In my book this is state funding. You don't see the council putting on a feast for Eid or similar for other religions. This is bias.

Spuzzell wrote:
Do you resent council firework displays on the 5th of November?


Yes, Its an anti-catholic celebration.


Well, christmas is an appropriation of an old pagan festival that existed to provide light relief for people in the depths of winter. I believe it still is. It's about family, booze, presents, food and fun. What has OXford St in December got to do with jesus? f*ck all. Which is how it should be (although oxford St on December is as close as I have been to hell on earth).
And as a matter of fact, councils do celebrate Eid and Diwali if they look after large local muslim/hindu populations. I know Luton and Hackney do.
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Postby flashleg8 on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:03 pm

heavycola wrote:And as a matter of fact, councils do celebrate Eid and Diwali if they look after large local muslim/hindu populations. I know Luton and Hackney do.


I stand corrected. I don't particularly agree with this either, but its better than an unfair bias.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:03 pm

I see what you brits are trying to say.

There's no councels here and if there where they might not pay for the "Erectile intensity disfunction" celebrations.

Well sirs, time to immigrate here to make some changes.
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Postby jay_a2j on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:18 pm

A comment on the "separation of church and state".


It was established so that:


The government shall establish no state religion. Meaning, the US will not declare Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam or any other religion as the recognized "official" religion.


That the state will not interfere with the freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof.



Far too many people have twisted the meaning of "Separation of Church and State" to mean any display of a religious nature on public property is forbidden. And that's just not the case.
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Postby heavycola on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:40 pm

jay_a2j wrote:A comment on the "separation of church and state".


It was established so that:


The government shall establish no state religion. Meaning, the US will not declare Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam or any other religion as the recognized "official" religion.


That the state will not interfere with the freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof.




So... no state religion means no official religion in public schools, which are an instrument of the state. Of course no one is suggesting that xian-raised children cannot pray during recess.
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Postby vtmarik on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:45 pm

jay_a2j wrote:a)Sensible people? Maybe they should look at the statistics of what taking prayer out of school has done.


Don't confuse correlation with causation. Violent crime by minors is down for another year, and Teen pregnancy is still at an all time low. Meanwhile, crime committed by white males over 30 has skyrocketed.

Perhaps we are demonizing the wrong generation.


b)You tell me. It is not the child, it is the atheist parent who gets offended. Its bending to the will of a small group of people. And THAT is the real danger.


Danger? You think that removing prayer time from the morning announcements is dangerous? I'll tell you what's dangerous, forcing children not of the same religion out of a classroom because they don't want to participate in the prayer session. It teaches exclusion and segregation, and it's wrong.

Everyone must be represented equally, or no one gets represented at all. That's the beauty of our system. A manger at City Hall? I don't give a care. Ten commandments in a courthouse? Well, considering that 8 of the 10 commandments aren't laws, I don't see how they have any place in a courtroom. If you want a stone memorial to ancient laws, put up a pedestal to the Codes of Hammurabi (the first ever set of state laws).

That being said, I agree that the atheist community does tend to overreact from time to time. Take that yahoo who wanted "Under God" taken out of the pledge. He would have had a better chance at getting the pledge taken out of schools as a whole, considering that it's just a marketing slogan.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:48 pm

So this "Erectile intensity disfunction festival" celebration, it's secular so all can enjoy it?

Or is it only celibrated with those that have "Erectile intensity disfunction" and so should be a private function in the buildings constructed by them.

Also I am wondering what sort of decorations are erected during this time?
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Postby vtmarik on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:52 pm

2dimes wrote:So this "Erectile intensity disfunction festival" celebration, it's secular so all can enjoy it?

Or is it only celibrated with those that have "Erectile intensity disfunction" and so should be a private function in the buildings constructed by them.

Also I am wondering what sort of decorations are erected during this time?


Half-inflated balloons maybe?

Christmas has its religious portion (hence the nativity) but it also has a secular side. Santa is no longer Saint Nicholas, he's a Coca-Cola salesman. Frosty, Rudolph, the Yeti from that one Christmas special, they're all basically secular icons. The stores put up the Christmas detritus every November 1st.

Giant, 20' tall inflatable snowmen aren't religious icons and they never will be.

If we accept that holidays like Christmas and Easter, which used to be wholly Christian days, are now shared by the Christian and the Secular alike, I think we can heal this nation. I say, eat a chocolate egg for America!
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Postby Guiscard on Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:59 pm

2dimes wrote:So this "Erectile intensity disfunction festival" celebration, it's secular so all can enjoy it?

Or is it only celibrated with those that have "Erectile intensity disfunction" and so should be a private function in the buildings constructed by them.

Also I am wondering what sort of decorations are erected during this time?


Why are you mocking a major festival of a major religion? If a Muslim posted mocking 'easter' calling it, I don't know, 'erotic ass sucking trembling erection religion' you'd lynch him! Don't be childish.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:03 pm

Guiscard wrote:
2dimes wrote:So this "Erectile intensity disfunction festival" celebration, it's secular so all can enjoy it?

Or is it only celibrated with those that have "Erectile intensity disfunction" and so should be a private function in the buildings constructed by them.

Also I am wondering what sort of decorations are erected during this time?


Why are you mocking a major festival of a major religion? If a Muslim posted mocking 'easter' calling it, I don't know, 'erotic ass sucking trembling erection religion' you'd lynch him! Don't be childish.
What are you talking about?

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Postby 2dimes on Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:08 pm

Guiscard wrote: If a Muslim posted mocking 'easter' calling it, I don't know, 'erotic ass sucking trembling erection religion' you'd lynch him! Don't be childish.
Yes, this is exactly right. Please let me know your location so I can come there and "git" you because you posted "calling Easter, 'erotic ass sucking trembling erection religion' ".
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Postby Guiscard on Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:27 pm

Eid is a perfectly valid, peaceful religious festival practiced all over the world by millions of people... yet 2Dimes decides its OK to mock it becuase, for some reason, some people think Islamaphobia acceptable in a discussion about PC.
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Postby 2dimes on Thu Feb 01, 2007 2:14 pm

Guiscard wrote:Eid is a perfectly valid, peaceful religious festival practiced all over the world by millions of people... yet 2Dimes decides its OK to mock it becuase, for some reason, some people think Islamaphobia acceptable in a discussion about PC.
Please stop trying to pollute my secular festival with your religion.


I am actually mocking the ideas that North America was a good place when it was run by predomanatly christian inspired people and that they should allow cultural icons to continue.

Thanks for playing.

Most North American customs should be abolished in case they are religious in any small way because religion is offensive.

Did I mention?
your opinion doesn't count if you don't live in North America.

If you wish to immigrate here then we can make an effort to repair the place and upgrade it to your liking.

Until then enjoy your home and be thankfull it's not North America.

Where until they address certain attrocities, you might see a mosque where non of the people in it have machine guns, or worse yet be exposed to small children singing "Silent Night".
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Postby Guiscard on Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:22 pm

Oh sorry, you're not an Islamaphobe then, I don't live in N America.
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Postby juggernaut man on Thu Feb 01, 2007 3:23 pm

flashleg8 wrote:
Christmas is a Christian festival, the state (i.e. the local council out of tax payers money) pays for Christmas decorations and their electrical bill, maintainence and erection(perhaps in parnership with local businesses in some cases as you point out). In my book this is state funding. You don't see the council putting on a feast for Eid or similar for other religions. This is bias.



Then take down all the santa clauses because christmas is a christian festival... Christmas isn't truely a christian holiday anymore.
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Postby Stopper on Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:33 pm

2dimes wrote: your opinion doesn't count if you don't live in North America.


I'm sure this isn't the first time someone tried to start an American-only thread in this forum. It never works.
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Postby Jesse, Bad Boy on Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:41 pm

2dimes wrote:Look your opinion doesn't count if you don't live in North America.

If you wish to immigrate here then we can make an effort to repair the place and upgrade it to your liking.

Until then enjoy your home and be thankfull it's not North America, where until we fix these attrocities you might be exposed to small children singing "Silent Night". :shudders:


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Postby jay_a2j on Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:51 am

heavycola wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:A comment on the "separation of church and state".


It was established so that:


The government shall establish no state religion. Meaning, the US will not declare Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam or any other religion as the recognized "official" religion.


That the state will not interfere with the freedom of religion and the free exercise thereof.




So... no state religion means no official religion in public schools, which are an instrument of the state. Of course no one is suggesting that xian-raised children cannot pray during recess.
Thanks jay!




Praying in school does not establish an "official religion". No one is telling you who to pray to or even that you HAVE to pray. It is just a time for those who wish to pray to do so. Stop shoving your godless worldview upon the masses! :wink:



Homophobe, Islamaphobe, Darwinaphobe, ..... man I hate the leftist dictionary. Its full of made up words. Funny thing is that while they call all these people, all these "phobes" they can be considered Christaphobes.

"Phobe" means "fear of".... I don't fear anything but God. Call me a "phobe" or "intolerant" if you wish. But then you would consider God these things as well.
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Postby heavycola on Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:06 pm

It is just a time for those who wish to pray to do so.


I think this called recess



PS I am not a 'leftist' (you and your tiresome labels). I haven't called anyone a 'darwinaphobe', nor have i ever heard it used. I think you made it up. Nor have i called anyone an islamophobe. And I am not a 'christaphobe' ( i definitely think you made that one up).
But whatever jay. Arguing with you is like shouting into a well.
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Postby jay_a2j on Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:13 pm

heavycola wrote:
It is just a time for those who wish to pray to do so.


I think this called recess



PS I am not a 'leftist' (you and your tiresome labels). I haven't called anyone a 'darwinaphobe', nor have i ever heard it used. I think you made it up. Nor have i called anyone an islamophobe. And I am not a 'christaphobe' ( i definitely think you made that one up).
But whatever jay. Arguing with you is like shouting into a well.




Everything in my last post after the smiley was not directed to you. darwinaphobe I made up (this is called sarcasm) the others I have heard outside of CC, except Islamaphobe which appears in this thread.


ps. you could learn a lot from a well. :P
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Postby 2dimes on Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:48 pm

And you can get a nice drink.
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Postby Thorthoth on Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:38 pm

2dimes wrote:And you can get a nice drink.

North American Christmas is the REAL thing.
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