NAACP Cries Racist at the Tea Party

[Woodruff]

How do you believe that Fox has provided any sort of proof? They CLAIMED that's what the original statement said. Do you seriously equate that with proof?

I was trying to figure out where your disagreement arose. I now know that it stems from the fact that you don't believe that FOX has proof that the original statement did contain those phrases.

I don't equate FOX news with absolute proof, no. I will try (when I'm not at work) to find further proof. However, with the NAACP website acknowledging that their statement was amended, but not providing the original text, it looks like it will be a struggle to find the initial statement. It seems as though they don't want to share it, at least.

Hopefully another news organization that you will find acceptable did a story on the original statement, before it was changed. We shall see...

It's not at all that I find Fox News unacceptable...though I'll admit I view them with the same jaundiced view I give to most other media...it's that just a statement by them making a claim isn't enough. It wouldn't be enough for you if I did that (and rightly so), so why do they get that honor? Now if they had included a transcript or something of that nature, that would make all the difference in the world.

[Woodruff]

How do you believe that Fox has provided any sort of proof? They CLAIMED that's what the original statement said. Do you seriously equate that with proof?

I found two stories from the Kansas City Star, the largest print-media source in KC where the NAACP Convention was held. The first gives a quote of the language of the original resolution, while the second indicates the resolution was amended.

The resolution, scheduled for a vote as early as Tuesday by delegates attending the annual NAACP convention in Kansas City, calls upon “all people of good will to repudiate the racism of the Tea Parties, and to stand in opposition to its drive to push our country back to the pre-civil rights era.”

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/11/2076909/naacp-takes-critical-look-at-tea.html

Good article, but it actually contradicts itself enough that I don't know which part is the non-typo. It starts off saying that it was only regarding elements, then it gives the statement relating to the Tea Party, then it goes on to talk about it only regarding elements again.

This is still a lot like the Fox article, to be honest...except perhaps more confusing.

Like you mentioned (I think it was you), it's probably going to be difficult to locate what that original statement was. On that, I have two thoughts:
1) I can't stand for denouncing them if we can't find the actual statement.
2) If they had the integrity to alter their statement to be more in line with their intent, then I say "good for them". You can BELIEVE it was only because they received pressure if you'd like (I don't particularly believe that), but the reality is that they did make the change.

[Woodruff]

YOUR claim that the NAACP is "racist" because, a few days BEFORE the ouster of said racist, the NAACP made comments about Tea Party racist elements indicates a strong desire on your part to simply attack and to ignore evidence.

For what it's worth, I do also consider the NAACP to be a racist organization. Though not for the reasons he states.

[PLAYER57832]

YOUR claim that the NAACP is "racist" because, a few days BEFORE the ouster of said racist, the NAACP made comments about Tea Party racist elements indicates a strong desire on your part to simply attack and to ignore evidence.

For what it's worth, I do also consider the NAACP to be a racist organization. Though not for the reasons he states.

That would be another debate. (one worth having, perhaps.. not even saying I disagree, but it's a different topic).

Nightstrike's reasoning, though, has little to do with evidence and all to do with ideology.

[Night Strike]

Good article, but it actually contradicts itself enough that I don't know which part is the non-typo. It starts off saying that it was only regarding elements, then it gives the statement relating to the Tea Party, then it goes on to talk about it only regarding elements again.

I obviously didn't write the article, but my guess is that the interviews and statements about the elements part were made after the amendment in the resolution. This means that when the statements were made, they referred to the change and obviously wouldn't refer to the original language.

Given that Fox is the one posting the NAACP video of the ousted Agricultural secretary (though they have since apologized for that), I would say we have reason to doubt Fox's intent on this issue.

Clarification: Fox aired the tape only after she was fired from the Department of Agriculture.

[gatoraubrey2]

It's not at all that I find Fox News unacceptable...though I'll admit I view them with the same jaundiced view I give to most other media...it's that just a statement by them making a claim isn't enough. It wouldn't be enough for you if I did that (and rightly so), so why do they get that honor? Now if they had included a transcript or something of that nature, that would make all the difference in the world.

Though it may sound as though I do, I really don't disagree with you. You said in another post that you can't stand by condemning them without evidence, and I think you're exactly right. The only challenge is in finding other news outlets who are willing to report negatively about the NAACP, which you will agree is a dangerous move.

I, too, believe that the NAACP is racist, and I don't find it at all hard to believe that they did what Fox is accusing them of. But, like you, I would like to see more sources, just to be sure.

Given that Fox is the one posting the NAACP video of the ousted Agricultural secretary (though they have since apologized for that), I would say we have reason to doubt Fox's intent on this issue.

However, that whole line of debate is rather besides the point. If an organization knows it has racists and doesn't do a thing about it, then they are, by implication a harbinger of racism. In this case, it does not take each member (or any majority) coming out and saying they are racist or acting in racist ways. If the organization just stands by and lets the racist talk continue, the actions continue, then it is guilty of racism itself.

This is why it is important that the statement came BEFORE the ouster of this guy. Before, there was little evidence of the Tea Party taking action against racists who claimed to be within their ranks.

What is it with you and your repeated lack of understanding about what specific threads are about? We are talking about a specific statement by the NAACP: whether or not it happened, and, if it did, whether it was a deliberate attempt to discredit the Tea Party. You come in and address the issue in a 35-word paragraph, then launch into a tirade about how the Tea Party is racist. If you find this debate to be "besides the point," then start your own thread about something that you think is more to the point. Quit hijacking other people's threads to preach about your sad, misguided agenda.

[Woodruff]

It's not at all that I find Fox News unacceptable...though I'll admit I view them with the same jaundiced view I give to most other media...it's that just a statement by them making a claim isn't enough. It wouldn't be enough for you if I did that (and rightly so), so why do they get that honor? Now if they had included a transcript or something of that nature, that would make all the difference in the world.

Though it may sound as though I do, I really don't disagree with you. You said in another post that you can't stand by condemning them without evidence, and I think you're exactly right. The only challenge is in finding other news outlets who are willing to report negatively about the NAACP, which you will agree is a dangerous move.

I don't honestly believe the NAACP is that powerful, no. I think most media would be more than happy to do so if they thought it was newsworthy.

[gatoraubrey2]

I don't honestly believe the NAACP is that powerful, no. I think most media would be more than happy to do so if they thought it was newsworthy.

That would be an interesting debate. It seems like accusing the NAACP of wrongdoing leads to accusations of racism toward the accusing party. Fox is being accused of it now, and they were accused of racism when they exposed the ACORN wrongdoing as well. Regardless, though, I think we both agree that more proof is necessary (once I've read Night Strike's articles from KC I can comment on them further) before the NAACP is proven guilty.

[bradleybadly]

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[King Doctor]

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[Night Strike]

http://johnnydollar.us/files/100725fhwir.php

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It's a site about how some are blaming Fox News for the wrongful firing of Sharrod even though the only aired the story after she was fired.

[Phatscotty]

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It's a site about how some are blaming Fox News for the wrongful firing of Sharrod even though the only aired the story after she was fired.

[john9blue]

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TROLL!

TROLL!

People say the same about Scotty when they have no other defense. How odd.

[Phatscotty]

words will never hurt me

[GabonX]

words will never hurt me

Depends how loud they are..

[King Doctor]

People say the same about Scotty when they have no other defense.

Who?

Oh, you mean that guy who didn't think that this was a racist image?

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Yeah, I vaguely remember him...